Was Being Bi A Marketing Ploy?

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On 2017-01-07 at 9:16 PM, Haroon said:

I already acknowledged and pointed out that the line from Sexxx Dreams couldn't definitely be about a woman when I first quoted you, so I'm not quite sure why you're being defensive  

That would be a whole other kettle of fish though, with it being split into what people are sexually attracted to and what people are romantically attracted to. Does a person need to be both sexually and romantically attracted to a specific gender to be gay/straight? Does a person need to be both sexually and romantically attracted to both genders to be bisexual?  Is sexuality determined by sexual attraction or romantic attraction?  

That's the thing though, sexual attraction and sexual orientation are completely different definitions and concepts.

Bisexuality is a sexual orientation where an individual loves both men and women. 

Just because a woman finds another woman sexually attractive it doesn't make her bisexual or a lesbian. She's just a straight woman that finds another girl sexy, but she cannot be in a relationship with that woman because her sexual attraction does not correlate with her sexual orientation. 

As a gay man, I can only love men because it is my sexual orientation. Love is defined by romance, lust, and intimacy. If there's no romantic attraction with the same sex, can you really identify as such?

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Halsey is bi, no?

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3 minutes ago, Daydream said:

That's the thing though, sexual attraction and sexual orientation are completely different definitions and concepts.

Bisexuality is a sexual orientation where an individual loves both men and women. 

Just because a woman finds another woman sexually attractive it doesn't make her bisexual or a lesbian. She's just a straight woman that finds another girl sexy, but she cannot be in a relationship with that woman because her sexual attraction does not correlate with her sexual orientation. 

As a gay man, I can only love men because it is my sexual orientation. Love is defined by romance, lust, and intimacy. If there's no romantic attraction with the same-sex, can you really identify as such?

Ahhh I see  I think it all boils down to a difference in definition then

For me personally, sexual attraction alone is enough to factor in a change in sexual orientation because for me it just means attraction, whether sexual or romantic  

Thanks for explaining your side  

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1 hour ago, Misaki said:

Gaga and Kesha seem like they wouldn't care if they dated a man or a woman, Nicki on the other hand seems like the type of person to do something or say something in order for personal gain.

@the Nicki part 

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6 minutes ago, Haroon said:

Ahhh I see  I think it all boils down to a difference in definition then

For me personally, sexual attraction alone is enough to factor in a change in sexual orientation because for me it just means attraction, whether sexual or romantic  

Thanks for explaining your side  

I disagree with you since these definitions are backed up by academia especially in peer-reviewed Gender and Sex Studies, but I'm glad we can have a mature discussion.

Your definition is more under the umbrella of partialism/fetish.

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9 minutes ago, Daydream said:

That's the thing though, sexual attraction and sexual orientation are completely different definitions and concepts.

Bisexuality is a sexual orientation where an individual needs to love both men and women. 

Just because a woman finds another woman sexually attractive it doesn't make her bisexual or a lesbian. She's just a straight woman that finds another girl sexy, but she cannot be in a relationship with that woman because her sexual attraction does not correlate with her sexual orientation. 

As a gay man, I can only love men because it is my sexual orientation. Love is defined by romance, lust, and intimacy. If there's no romance with the same-sex, can you really identify as such?

You're being awfully dogmatic here.

If a man finds other men attractive (not that he can recognize attractive men, but that he actually is attracted to them) and engages in sexual activity with them, but only develops romantic feelings for women, is he "straight"? What terms would you want to apply to him? Heteroflexible? Are hetero and homoflexibility just different points on a bi spectrum? These are nebulous terms without hard boundaries.

"Bisexual" absolutely can be--and sometimes is--used to denote sexual attraction independent from romantic attraction. It's true: that's not most people's colloquial understanding of the term, but when we're having extended conversations trying to articulate something as complex as human identity, you can very quickly find yourself outside of casual understanding of terms.

Gaga may never have used the term "heteroromantic," but she's always been quite transparent in terms of what her romantic inclinations are. Which is a long-winded way of saying: I don't think Gaga has ever tried to purposely misrepresent her identity for economic gain.

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wasnt their pics of gaga making out with boomkack 

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I don't really believe Gaga is trully bi. There's a difference between being bicurious and bi sexual. 

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41 minutes ago, kupo said:

 

You're being awfully dogmatic here.

If a man finds other men attractive (not that he can recognize attractive men, but that he actually is attracted to them) and engages in sexual activity with them, but only develops romantic feelings for women, is he "straight"? What terms would you want to apply to him? Heteroflexible? Are hetero and homoflexibility just different points on a bi spectrum? These are nebulous terms without hard boundaries.

"Bisexual" absolutely can be--and sometimes is--used to denote sexual attraction independent from romantic attraction. It's true: that's not most people's colloquial understanding of the term, but when we're having extended conversations trying to articulate something as complex as human identity, you can very quickly find yourself outside of casual understanding of terms.

Gaga may never have used the term "heteroromantic," but she's always been quite transparent in terms of what her romantic inclinations are. Which is a long-winded way of saying: I don't think Gaga has ever tried to purposely misrepresent her identity for economic gain.

It's clear that gay people are romantically and lustfully attracted to the same-sex just as it's evident that straight people are romantically and lustfully attracted to the opposite sex. To be labelled bisexual, you need to be romantically and lustfully attracted to both sexes. That's why your example is not a bisexual example. I would say your example is a straight man, since he can only be romantically involved with women (this also means that with romance comes sex) and solely does sexual activities with men without romance to fulfill his arousal needs since he would never be in a relationship with them. To be labelled bisexual comes with loving both men and women, therefore, being romantically and sexually attracted to both men and women.

I hope I am making sense.

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This thread is really making me sad. So many people are uneducated on what is being bisexual and this is only making me more scared to come out as a bisexual.

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As a lesbian, I truly do think gaga is bisexual. There's a spectrum of bisexuality and I think that gaga is the type of bisexual who leans more towards men but still is sexually attracted to women. In all honesty, I still think 99% of the reason she agreed to do Victoria secret was because half naked women were involved lol. 

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Telling the truth. They had bi experiences so...

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3 hours ago, healme said:

Also, Hey Girl gives me lesbian lovers vibes

Yeah, it has the "shag" music. lol

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15 hours ago, Daydream said:

It's clear that gay people are romantically and lustfully attracted to the same-sex just as it's evident that straight people are romantically and lustfully attracted to the opposite sex. To be labelled bisexual, you need to be romantically and lustfully attracted to both sexes. That's why your example is not a bisexual example. I would say your example is a straight man, since he can only be romantically involved with women (this also means that with romance comes sex) and solely does sexual activities with men without romance to fulfill his arousal needs since he would never be in a relationship with them. To be labelled bisexual comes with loving both men and women, therefore, being romantically and sexually attracted to both men and women.

I hope I am making sense.

You're making sense, and I get where you're coming from; I just think you're being needlessly dogmatic and stern with how you define bisexual, when one of the aims of the whole queer movement has been to recognize the inherent complexity and irreducibility of human sexuality and romantic attraction.

Please note that lots of organizations and resources recognize the hazy boundary of this label, and many recognize that sexual attraction to the same sex (independent from romantic attraction) can be classified as bisexuality. 

There's really no evidence or reason to challenge Gaga's self-identification unless she says something's changed.

 

 

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16 hours ago, JustLikeHoney said:

I like this term more than Bi. Bi puts people in a box, pan takes them out of the box.

yes exactly! thats how i felt. i always thought i was bisexual until 2 years ago. i felt so trapped by that term & finally accepted myself completely. it was hard & honestly deadpool helped me lol.