Alleged kidnapping in Chicago shown on Facebook Live, 4 in custody

[Guest]

1 hour ago, beverlyhills said:

What about focusing more on black on black crimes? White on black crimes are really just a Taylor Swift in a sea full of Meghan Trainors. I don't wanna be that guy but 

So, we actually agree. There is a high percentage of crime in some black communities. There is also a high percentage of black people incarcerated. So, what does it mean?

I think it means that black people have been marginalized into bad neighborhoods and poverty as a direct result of slavery, segregation, and systemic racism. I think it means that the criminal justice system is literally a vestige of slavery. We went from slavery, to segregation, to incarceration. I think it means that black people are often arrested, killed, or convicted for doing the same things that whites do who don't get arrest, killed, or convicted.

What do YOU think these statistics mean? Because it seems like your only point in bringing them up is to try to discount black activists. It seems like you are trying to malign all black people simply because they are black without looking at the reasons why crime and incarceration are where they are. It seems like you're taking the easy way out, blaming blacks for the situation they are in which is a direct result of decades of oppression.

But I could be wrong. What do you think these stats prove? What is your motivation for posting them? 

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5 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

If you read the ABC News article included in the OP you'll notice there is no mention of the attacker's racial motivations, at all. A reader would have no idea based on that story that the attackers would be charged with a hate crime the following day. That article is indicative of the way the majority of the press was covering this story. It's also indicative of the way people are discussing this attack on this site.

No one suggested that this is a contest, and I defended BLM in this thread before you did, but this story clearly challenges accepted narratives about racial violence we have in our culture, and it's making the Left squirm.

 

Well, I pretty much agree with you.

I read CNN mostly, and their article about it said that it was considered a hate crime based on race and disability. The CNN article also quoted them saying "**** trump and **** white people."

I don't read ABC so I can't comment on what I think of their reporting. 

[DontDoubtDavid 1,196]

What ever happened to love trumps hate? Kill ignorance with kindness and love tbh.

[malazam 15,710]

5 hours ago, MJHolland said:

There is kind of a point there...

They were chanting **** Trump and "**** white people" 

that is a race hate crime...

If it was a black person being beaten by someone saying "**** black people" you would agree 

It's a hate crime, It's violence. Sick people but I don't fair to drag a whole movement for 4 people?

 

[SKANK 14,288]

1 minute ago, stvn said:

Well, I pretty much agree with you.

I read CNN mostly, and their article about it said that it was considered a hate crime based on race and disability. The CNN article also quoted them saying "**** trump and **** white people."

I don't read ABC so I can't comment on what I think of their reporting. 

 

Last night while reporting on this incident Anderson Cooper asked CNN's "legal expert" on air if this was a hate crime, they said that it was too difficult to tell if the incident was racially motivated or if it was motivated by the man's intellectual disability, in spite of the fact that the man's disability is never mentioned in the attack but his race is.

The same questions would not dare be asked if the races of the victims/perpetrators was reversed. Which is a problem. 

[Guest]

Just now, malazam said:

It's a hate crime, It's violence. Sick people but I don't fair to drag a whole movement for 4 people?

 

4 people who don't even have any ties to BLM, according to investigators. 

[beverlyhills 287]

5 minutes ago, stvn said:

So, we actually agree. There is a high percentage of crime in some black communities. There is also a high percentage of black people incarcerated. So, what does it mean?

I think it means that black people have been marginalized into bad neighborhoods and poverty as a direct result of slavery, segregation, and systemic racism. I think it means that the criminal justice system is literally a vestige of slavery. We went from slavery, to segregation, to incarceration. I think it means that black people are often arrested, killed, or convicted for doing the same things that whites do who don't get arrest, killed, or convicted.

What do YOU think these statistics mean? Because it seems like your only point in bringing them up is to try to discount black activists. It seems like you are trying to malign all black people simply because they are black without looking at the reasons why crime and incarceration are where they are. It seems like you're taking the easy way out, blaming blacks for the situation they are in which is a direct result of decades of oppression.

But I could be wrong. What do you think these stats prove? What is your motivation for posting them? 

I'm saying all this (hatred and) violence could be used to educate the people in those poor neighborhoods, fix the community first because it seems it is a bigger problem. Nobody goes marching for all the black children that get killed by drive-by's in the hood but once the white man kills a black man everyone is up in arms. 

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9 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Last night while reporting on this incident Anderson Cooper asked CNN's "legal expert" on air if this was a hate crime, they said that it was too difficult to tell if the incident was racially motivated or if it was motivated by the man's intellectual disability, in spite of the fact that the man's disability is never mentioned in the attack but his race is.

The same questions would not dare be asked if the races of the victims/perpetrators was reversed. Which is a problem. 

I routinely read, in cases where the victims are people of color, that an investigation has to be done to see if it was a hate crime. Anderseon cooper is actually one of the more fair journalists out there. Or did we not have a huge longass discussion about whether Trayvon was a hate crime or not? Yes, I know that the circumstances were different and the Chicago 4 case is much more obviously a hate crime, but my point is there are discussions on both sides. This is not uncommon. And in fact, prosecutors in this case were very quick to charge them all with hate crimes on the basis of disabity AND race.

I'm just kind of incredulous when white people are like BUT IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED as if they are the ones who have faced decades of institutional racism. In a macro capacity, it is actually pretty unusual for a white person to be attacked for being white, so this is why it's really making the news. Obviously this attack was horrible and I DO think it was a hate crime, but being all up in arms about investigating this the same way everything else is investigated and discussed just kind of screams privilege to me. 

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32 minutes ago, SKANK said:

It's interesting that an incident like this only generated four pages of discussion on this site (a bulk of which is dedicated to the defense of BLM), while racially motivated acts of violence in which the victims are Black easily receive twice the amount of attention and outrage. It's sad.

Are you surprised though?

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6 minutes ago, beverlyhills said:

I'm saying all this (hatred and) violence could be used to educate the people in those poor neighborhoods, fix the community first because it seems it is a bigger problem. Nobody goes marching for all the black children that get killed by drive-by's in the hood but once the white man kills a black man everyone is up in arms. 

I agree with this. This is what a lot of activists are trying to do. And yes, it has to do with education funding in those neighborhoods, which they're not getting. 

[Sister 9,907]

10 minutes ago, DontDoubtDavid said:

What ever happened to love trumps hate? Kill ignorance with kindness and love tbh.

^ Yeah. This world will break our hearts, we are all just here together and must find a way to live together, each of us, peacefully. Too much to ask for in this life time.

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

Doing this atrocious act to anyone is beyond disgusting, but committing these acts against someone with a mental disability...someone you know has a mental disability...is unforgivable. It is truly terrifying how some people in this world feel no emotion toward one's pain. I can only imagine how much this will scar the victim emotionally for the rest of his life...

[beverlyhills 287]

2 minutes ago, stvn said:

I agree with this. This is what a lot of activists are trying to do. And yes, it has to do with education funding in those neighborhoods, which they're not getting. 

I know there are a lot of activists out there and I applaud them for that. I just wish they had as much recognition as BLM because educating the poor neighborhoods would resort to much less violence, homophobia and racism if the US actually sees progress from those people. A lot of black folks do get succesful and educated but a lot don't.

[SKANK 14,288]

Just now, stvn said:

I routinely read, in cases where the victims are people of color, that an investigation has to be done to see if it was a hate crime. Anderseon cooper is actually one of the more fair journalists out there. Or did we not have a huge longass discussion about whether Trayvon was a hate crime or not? Yes, I know that the circumstances were different and the Chicago 4 case is much more obviously a hate crime, but my point is there are discussions on both sides. This is not uncommon. And in fact, prosecutors in this case were very quick to charge them all with hate crimes on the basis of disabity AND race.

It just kind of incredulous when white people are like BUT IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED as if they are the ones who have faced decades of institutional racism. In a macro capacity, it is actually pretty unusual for a white person to be attacked for being white, so this is why it's really making the news. Obviously this attack was horrible and I DO think it was a hate crime, but being all up in arms about investigating this the same way everything else is investigated and discussed just kind of screams privilege to me. 

 

When the Chief of Police was asked if there was a racial component to this attack he said,  “I don’t think that at this point we have anything concrete to really point us in that direction.”  That is a problem. When the majority of main stream press broke this story they did not mention the attacker's racial motivations. That is a problem.

Observing and commenting on this double standard does not belittle issues facing African Americans. This isn't about white privilege.

I personally don't find it enlightening or interesting to have discussions with people who follow tumblr talking points, so I'm going to conclude our interaction here. Have a lovely night.

 

Just now, Pity Party said:

Are you surprised though?

 

A little, but I suppose I shouldn't be.

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13 minutes ago, beverlyhills said:

I know there are a lot of activists out there and I applaud them for that. I just wish they had as much recognition as BLM because educating the poor neighborhoods would resort to much less violence, homophobia and racism if the US actually sees progress from those people. A lot of black folks do get succesful and educated but a lot don't.

So do you think the ghettos/poor neighborhoods are the fault of white society? Or do you think it's all black people's fault they are in bad situations?