Maturity

[Impostor 4,114]

15 hours ago, ShockPop said:

There are no critiques, just whining because she didn't *insert buzzword here*.

I don't like the MR video at all. Not a single bit of it. However, I appreciate and understand what she's doing and I know that it is necessary. Unfortunately, this ability to comprehend the simplest of things isn't something we're all blessed with.

How blessed you are. Do you want an award for that?

[Dominic 11,922]

Well thought out and respectable OP  Many will miss the points you're making and brand you a terrible person because 'Gaga is not your doll' but your post, and any other intellectual posts, are why I joined GGD years ago.  

I'd just not take any notice of those who can't offer a discussion and have the 'I'm a real fan, you're not' attitude. It's a little strange to get such an ego boost out of enjoying an artist IMO but each to their own.  

[SychosSoChic 9,995]

This is actually one of the nicest threads in recent history, and you cult stans have once again ignored all that he said and just dragged him as if it gets you brownie points to get you into Stan Heaven

Hypocritical hive cultists, I swear, you'll make the fanbase implode and drive Gaga to the ground with your sycophantic praise

[GagaTheExplorer 3,053]

3 hours ago, PaperIz said:

There's a difference in pop stars hating each other than there is in us hating on gaga so openly. She deserves more than that.

I agree with you, and so katy deserved better

[Addison Rae 16,592]

16 hours ago, Craig Barnes said:

I just want to point out to you and everyone else reading this that the era that brought me closer to Gaga, and the era to really involved myself with Gaga was the ARTPOP era. Yeah, the Fame was great. I actually hated Bad Romance and Telephone when it first came out. Born This Way was okay. But ARTPOP was the era which I really placed my stan card down for Gaga and the era where I followed her more closely. So your earlier point about "The initial buzz over Lady Gaga as a cultural phenomenon is largely decreased (when compared to the TFM / BTW imperial era) and what remains is arguably the core group of fans."  is absolutely flawed. Not all monsters here are from TF/TFM or BTW eras, but rather some (like myself) are much later. There is still quite a buzz in the air when someone mentions Lady Gaga. The GP are starting to recognise her as a really strong vocalist. Everyone in my college group knows I support Gaga, and even a few have commented how good Joanne is (one watched the whole VSFS performance only to see Gaga perform). I don't know any monsters who live near me, but I'm sure if you were to say to them "Monsters, Gaga is performing at the Principality Stadium next week!" They will go nuts. I get hyped when ever Gaga performs or does things like drop MV or more songs. So there IS STILL a buzz about Gaga.

Your point about the Million Reasons music video, and I'm getting so so tired of saying this to people like you. The whole point of that video was to take a look deeper into Gaga's life, what she did, how she dealt with heartbreak (continuation of P.I) and her everyday schedule. On the day of the Apple commercial (where you people think she reused scenes) she obviously decided to shoot the MR MV scenes as she already had the backdrop and that was something that was real and happening at that point in time. The storyline of the video is very real. Its real life. Thats why it was shot similar to the Apple commercial, but not the same. A thread a few days ago suggested that the theme in the video is suicide, which Gaga actually faced. That is a very deep meaning of the video, and might make some of you understand it better. But reading your post, I'm curious to believe you do.

My FINAL point is what bugs me the most. You speak about maturity, yet you and some fans don't show any. Maturity means a lot of things. If you have matured then you are willing to accept change in a person in how they have grown up. You should know that as a person gets older, their style changes, they mature and see things in a different light. Gaga has very much matured infront of our eyes. The same singer who did 'Viva La Vida' on BBC R1 Live Lounge in 2008/9 could not have done the Oscars in 2015 as amazing as she did if she didnt mature. The problem is, the star has matured but the fans have not. You and many fans on here are stuck in the past, some believe that in 2016/17 she should go back to the likes of the BTW era cause 'everything was better'. Your point about not as much buzz comes about because you and some fans believe that she will never beat or get close to BTW era commercially. Maybe if you paid attention to her you'll see why ARTPOP really happened and the message she gave. Or maybe you should watch her Emotion Reveloution speech where she speaks about how BTW was one of her darkest times as she was really unhappy and felt like a money making machine to the point where she didnt even know who she was anymore. Also Gaga changes with every era (just incase you didnt know) so maturity in the fans would be accepting the new era. If you have followed Gaga from the start, then you have really grown up with her. So start showing it! You can dislike something, you are human. But this is a Gaga fourum. Its not meant for dragging her. I honestly think that if you are really unhappy with the way Gaga is this era then you should leave and comeback when you feel ready. Stan someone else, I dont care who. But what is the point if you are unhappy? I believe the Joanne era will be her best yet and cannot wait for the Halftime Show performance, and I do not care if it is a success on the charts. If my ears like it, then to me its a success. 

 

Show some MATURITY and grow up. Stop living in the past and if you are so unhappy then you may as well leave.

Thank you

Excellent post, I honestly couldn't agree more. 

[PaperIz 7,346]

1 hour ago, GagaTheExplorer said:

I agree with you, and so katy deserved better

Yew Katy deserved better after stabbing Taylor in the back  anywaya back to my original comment which applies now more than ever. All this is just yall trying to excuse your sh!t behavior. 

[Phoenix 17,395]

I agree!

 

People who force themselves to like everything Gaga does and who jump on anyone who says one negative thing about her are what ruined this fanbase over past years.

[FATCAT 60,002]

Fighting over this is stupid, opinions differ, if you don't like it, you can leave. This is a forum, people will both praise and critisize for the same things. There is no group consensus. I think the EOG, MR, and PI videos are lame af, with the latter two being the product of "writers block" with Gaga's creativeity. 

[SilkSpectre0 547]

4 hours ago, Noelle said:

Okay so I just posted this in a thread in the news section but think it suits better here and Ill edit it a little: 

Ive been here on GGD for about 8 years now and Im usually lurking and not posting much (except during the BTW snippets leaking era) and Im turning 24 tomorrow. I just realized because of all that age shat that I really have grown with Gaga and got to understand her more and more. Anyway what I want to say is that the negativity on this era is really sad and it needs to stop. For anyone who has grown with her, look at her with different eyes. Be more respectful. Understand her change. I am not a big fan of the MR video, but I really appreciate her trying to get her vulnerability across as a person, if that succeeded or failed depends, and I think we should all have a little more respect for that, instead of bashing her for being cringeworthy. Focus more on your positive feelings, less on the negative. We have gone through a lot of meltdowns on this website and I've witnessed many of them. Although it sometimes went waaay too far at the time, it somehow fit the era's. The whole vibe of Born This Way sparked controversial talk and thats exactly what happened on GGD at the time. But. We've grown up. Gaga has. She does her own thing. She's gone through a jazz phase where she seemed very genuinely happy. And now she has a more peaceful phase as well. Don't go kicking her in the face for that. Its really not the point of this era.

As we all know Gaga is very diverse, in her music and in her personality. Therefore it is evident that not every fan will like every performance she does. But just have some respect, sit it out, sit down, chill and wait for the next one and see where she's going. Place it in the bigger picture. Enjoy the ride.

All of this 

[Joshie S 6,067]

18 hours ago, MonsterMum said:

What you are doing is projecting your hopes and expectations onto her by latching onto nostalgia. It worked years ago so just copy paste and she's good to go.

When that doesn't happen you (people not you personally) get nasty and in disbelieve "why doesn't she just x,y,z" not realising that they only mad because she is not meeting THEIR expections. It's like the hopelesness of the situation (because you can't control it nor her) that make people lash out and get meltdown after meltdown because it's THEM that cannot adapt and get used to the fact that she is changing era after era. 

So for your own sanity I suggest you box your memories about every era she has done so far and take a look at Joanne and what it's bringing to you in it's own seperate way, not always going back to "but then' "but back when". Don't compare just go in with an open mind. 

Cut it off and see what you are getting now and if you like that. If you do, that's great but if you don't because, you don't like that type of music or the aesthetics don't give you enough then just let it be. There is no right or wrong when it comes to enjoying your style of music. But whatever has happened is in the past now and it will never come back that's one thing we all can be sure about.

omg this needs to be a thread of its own.........the entire fanbase needs to read this

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

1 hour ago, Dolce Vita said:

Excellent post, I honestly couldn't agree more. 

Thank you I'm actually tempted to make a whole thread on it

[Mythos 3,199]

Hmm, i personally don't know which side is worse, the haters, or the yaaas -fanatics. At the end of the day it's just important to stay calm, and discuss anything you want without getting rude or aggressiv, and just be nice to each other, that's really not that difficult.

 

[ShockPop 7,747]

6 hours ago, KleinKnight said:

How blessed you are. Do you want an award for that?

I don't need an award. My clear superiority and pity of the less intellectually endowed is enough.

[StrawberryBlond 14,820]

Honestly, the reason why I quite like the MR video at this moment in time is purely for personal reasons. She made a video about being sad, going towards a breakdown and feeling like wanting to quit. She timed this video so right for me. She did it hours before my birthday and after a week of my depression, anxiety and paranoia coming back strong. So, seeing this hit me hard and made me tearful. But if all this wasn't present in my life at the time, I'd be more than a bit disappointed with it. Of course I would have liked it to be more eventful and not composed of re-used footage in parts. But at the end of the day, she'd just called off her engagement to the man she had been with for 5 years, the man she thought she was going to have children with, the man she thought she was going to spend the rest of her life with. I'd be pretty sad as well if that had happened to me, especially so close to Christmas, a time when I'm supposed to be happy and it's all about love and family. I know I wouldn't feel like making a big showstopper of a music video at this time. I wouldn't want to do anything other than crawl into a hole. So, we should be glad Gaga's giving us anything right now. Some artists disappear completely when they're going through a hard time, even if it's in the middle of an era. Gaga sticks around and still gives us something and we should be grateful for that. Plus, she's constantly evolving. It's pointless telling her to go back to the way she is. She isn't the same person that she was back in TF days, nor should she be. If she was still the same, that would be a bad thing. And her fans understandably changed as well.

If you don't like it, just accept it and move on. She'll make something different and more to your liking another time. Just not this time. There's no such thing as a flawless discography or videography. You're free to put your opinion out there, just be respectful with it and be constructive. As long as you're not just saying "this sucks" with no reasoning, everyone should be fine with you. And if they're not, they're the ones with the problem.