Chart Discussion: Joanne / Million Reasons

[viniferrett 16,684]

1 minute ago, metalguru said:

Attention please! A fair criticism of Gaga:

 

I am not trying to spread negativity. Lady GaGa means so much to me. She is in my top1o artists alongside with big names like Kate Bush, Suede, David Bowie, Klaus Nomi etc. Yes, I love pop but I am more into alternative/glam/new romantic type of music. Gaga is somehow different. I am sure that after 20 years from now indie bars will play Bad Romance right after for example The Cure, Friday I'm in Love. She is the frontier of 2010's. Or is she?

I love Gaga because her references are more then top40 success. I can see all the great artists in her yet she is unique. She is Gaga! And I think critics and people are so jealous of her because she is the future. Critics were skeptical about my favorite rock band Suede in 90's but now they are legends. OR   David Bowie. People glamorized him or hated him. Yes, ARTPOP was messy but it was also small piece of masterpiece. Clear the tracklist, make it 11 songs of an album, different singles, get rid of Marina and all the other rich peoples behind the picture and then you have your manic pop craziness with Greek Gods and Andy Warhol. Same for Born This Way. There will be no song like Marry the Night.

ANYWAY.

Maybe Gaga is really tired of people's skepticism over her and she is holding on her own story. Now, it is all about her father's restaurant or her voice. I think the idea of stripped down Gaga is a necessity and good but the product is really disappointing. If these songs are her "emotional" songs I am utterly  sad. She obsessed with her voice. Yes, voice is important but pop music is not just about voice. As a results, right now she is always singing with higher notes, nearly screaming, in a silly way via 80s heavy metal bands like Scorpion or something. Hush, Gaga and sing us a lullaby. She was the queen of maximalist, grand pop songs. I was waiting multi layered sad songs or real, cold melodies with a simpler vocals. We all love Gaga but Million Reasons or Angel Down are not even near to her ambitions.

 

Speaking of ambitions, she is talking about Bowie constantly yet she is not fully acting under his influence. Maybe a record company press over her? I don't know. But my expectations from Gaga was different: She didn't really choose to be fearless like Bowie or she didn't choose the shameless but brilliant pop sensibility. The results are underwhelming. 

 

I am getting sad when I see Beyonce or Frank Ocean all over the year end lists. I am not a big fan of their musics. Beyonce has 5 different samples from Led Zeppelin to godknowswho in a 4 min song. Yet we celebrate her as a new frontier. In an atmosphere like now, Million Reasons is an example of identity crisis as a worst possible way. I am sorry but I think her voice in this song and the song itself is pretty forgettable. I know it is my idea and I don't want to dictate to anybody but all i am trying to say is Gaga is bigger than all of these songs. 

 

The video... Her acting... Guys, you should read Glam and Awe book by writer Simon Reynolds. It is a long, beautiful book on glam rock and fame. Reynolds loves Gaga and his ideas about Gaga are really accurate. Glam is all about lies. You lie to yourself and the world that you are the biggest star on earth then you become one. Bowie, Marc Bolan or Prince... They all gave us lies as a ticket to their world. Even Gaga said that how much she loves lies/dellusions/illusions many time in her early career.

 

So, Million Reasons and the message behind is probably an another "lie" (I use "lie" as and idea) but it is a very blank one. She is a great actor (check Marry the Night) but she cannot even act in the video. Front of the mirror scenes are just off. There are many examples of simple and personal videos with a limited budget but this one is not one of them. It is just an example of crisis.

 

I can discuss about Joanne as a whole some other time but I wish a) She goes back to her ambition b) as a "simple" Gaga, she puts more ideas/melodies/visuals into her products.

 

She needs to be frontier again. And it doesn't mean she needs to go back to Just Dance type of music. Music is a huge ocean. I want frontierGa back! 

 

this is not the place to post this 

[Stef 61,645]

1 minute ago, metalguru said:

Attention please! A fair criticism of Gaga:

 

I am not trying to spread negativity. Lady GaGa means so much to me. She is in my top1o artists alongside with big names like Kate Bush, Suede, David Bowie, Klaus Nomi etc. Yes, I love pop but I am more into alternative/glam/new romantic type of music. Gaga is somehow different. I am sure that after 20 years from now indie bars will play Bad Romance right after for example The Cure, Friday I'm in Love. She is the frontier of 2010's. Or is she?

I love Gaga because her references are more then top40 success. I can see all the great artists in her yet she is unique. She is Gaga! And I think critics and people are so jealous of her because she is the future. Critics were skeptical about my favorite rock band Suede in 90's but now they are legends. OR   David Bowie. People glamorized him or hated him. Yes, ARTPOP was messy but it was also small piece of masterpiece. Clear the tracklist, make it 11 songs of an album, different singles, get rid of Marina and all the other rich peoples behind the picture and then you have your manic pop craziness with Greek Gods and Andy Warhol. Same for Born This Way. There will be no song like Marry the Night.

ANYWAY.

Maybe Gaga is really tired of people's skepticism over her and she is holding on her own story. Now, it is all about her father's restaurant or her voice. I think the idea of stripped down Gaga is a necessity and good but the product is really disappointing. If these songs are her "emotional" songs I am utterly  sad. She obsessed with her voice. Yes, voice is important but pop music is not just about voice. As a results, right now she is always singing with higher notes, nearly screaming, in a silly way via 80s heavy metal bands like Scorpion or something. Hush, Gaga and sing us a lullaby. She was the queen of maximalist, grand pop songs. I was waiting multi layered sad songs or real, cold melodies with a simpler vocals. We all love Gaga but Million Reasons or Angel Down are not even near to her ambitions.

 

Speaking of ambitions, she is talking about Bowie constantly yet she is not fully acting under his influence. Maybe a record company press over her? I don't know. But my expectations from Gaga was different: She didn't really choose to be fearless like Bowie or she didn't choose the shameless but brilliant pop sensibility. The results are underwhelming. 

 

I am getting sad when I see Beyonce or Frank Ocean all over the year end lists. I am not a big fan of their musics. Beyonce has 5 different samples from Led Zeppelin to godknowswho in a 4 min song. Yet we celebrate her as a new frontier. In an atmosphere like now, Million Reasons is an example of identity crisis as a worst possible way. I am sorry but I think her voice in this song and the song itself is pretty forgettable. I know it is my idea and I don't want to dictate to anybody but all i am trying to say is Gaga is bigger than all of these songs. 

 

The video... Her acting... Guys, you should read Glam and Awe book by writer Simon Reynolds. It is a long, beautiful book on glam rock and fame. Reynolds loves Gaga and his ideas about Gaga are really accurate. Glam is all about lies. You lie to yourself and the world that you are the biggest star on earth then you become one. Bowie, Marc Bolan or Prince... They all gave us lies as a ticket to their world. Even Gaga said that how much she loves lies/dellusions/illusions many time in her early career.

 

So, Million Reasons and the message behind is probably an another "lie" (I use "lie" as and idea) but it is a very blank one. She is a great actor (check Marry the Night) but she cannot even act in the video. Front of the mirror scenes are just off. There are many examples of simple and personal videos with a limited budget but this one is not one of them. It is just an example of crisis.

 

I can discuss about Joanne as a whole some other time but I wish a) She goes back to her ambition b) as a "simple" Gaga, she puts more ideas/melodies/visuals into her products.

 

She needs to be frontier again. And it doesn't mean she needs to go back to Just Dance type of music. Music is a huge ocean. I want frontierGa back! 

 

I love this chart analysis

[Zayn 83]

What a horrible video.

What a shame.

We deserved so much better

[Narles Lino 121]

Itunes WW Albums: 

#15 (+4) Lady Gaga - Joanne  6515 (+579)

Lemonade is #12 

[Dutch 91,449]

Can a moderator just do something about all these off-topic posts. Jeez. 
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iTunes The Netherlands:
#39 Lady Gaga - Million Reasons (+2)

[Gypsy Life 118,907]

UK:

8 Lady Gaga - Million Reasons  0.2792 0.2587

Light green.

[ViviLittleM 3]

Can we start a new topic at this point? This one is a disaster now.

[spanishmonster 11,002]

1 minute ago, Zayn said:

What a horrible video.

What a shame.

We deserved so much better

Go back were you came...

OT: #55 Spain (+10)

[Monsterious 26,867]

7 minutes ago, malazam said:

2:27

and then 2:30

Fire who edited it. 

oh my god 

[GagaMyBlood95 9,915]

We don't need a new topic, we just need people to STOP posting about the video here, is it that hard?

Have your meltdown in that other thread tbh  

[malazam 15,710]

1 minute ago, BenG said:

I think she filmed MR and A-YO for Apple Music ad and decided to release only A-YO for the ad

I think the concept of continuing from PI was meant for A-YO but we know what happened.....

I'm watching it again and I think that it's a good video...

[Bt1 5,213]

Just now, ViviLittleM said:

Can we start a new topic at this point? This one is a disaster now.

Maybe tomorrow. Cry now and tomorrow start fresh. :))

[malazam 15,710]

2 minutes ago, Gypsy Life said:

UK:

8 Lady Gaga - Million Reasons  0.2792 0.2587

Light green.

Here we go

[Americano 31,061]

i havent watched the video.. seems like its a disaster from what im reading lol

[ViviLittleM 3]

Just now, Americano said:

i havent watched the video.. seems like its a disaster from what im reading lol

I like it after a few times watching.