Trump softens tone on undocumented young people

[President Trump 3,508]

I'm amazed at how nobody pays attention, how this article is operating under a completely wrong idea. Trump said he was going to deport illegal immigrants that were violent criminals. That was his campaign promise the entire time. I mean there are hours and hours and hours of his speeches. This election really made me hate the media. I'm all about logic and I'm starting to get frustrated at the total bias against him, most of the time blatantly so. 

[Economy 52,844]

On 2016-12-07 at 1:24 PM, ZacharyMark said:

So he's basically learning that all his campaign promises have catches. I'm sure his supporters will be very happy.

On Canadas Business News Network the CEO of one of our largest Corporations was making fun of him on TV for changing his mind everytime he learns more about an issue  

[Bebe 17,289]

On 12/9/2016 at 9:53 AM, Ma Ma Pa Pa Pa said:

I'm amazed at how nobody pays attention, how this article is operating under a completely wrong idea. Trump said he was going to deport illegal immigrants that were violent criminals. That was his campaign promise the entire time. I mean there are hours and hours and hours of his speeches. This election really made me hate the media. I'm all about logic and I'm starting to get frustrated at the total bias against him, most of the time blatantly so. 

Err not quite. He talked about how illegal immigrants were violent and how he assumes some where good people, but he constantly said he would deport anybody who entered the country illegally.

Reasons he has stated for deporting undocumented immigrants are that people are losing their jobs:

"We're losing our jobs. People are pouring into our country. The other day, we were deporting 800 people. And perhaps they passed the wrong button, or perhaps worse than that, it was corruption, but these people that we were going to deport for good reason ended up becoming citizens. Now it turns out it might be 1,800, and they don't even know."

They are hurting our economy:

"He of the executive order, because nobody wants to listen to him, including the Democrats, so he just goes around signing executive orders. We have to stop illegal immigration. It's hurting us economically. It's hurting us from every standpoint. It's causing tremendous difficulty with respect to drugs and what that does to our inner cities."

This was never just about 'violent criminals' and that's not what he sold his supporters either.


He has said, on multiple occasions, that he would deport all illegal immigrants with the caveat that "some" will be let back through some mysterious process that he admits might take a long time.

"We have at least 11 million people that came in illegally. They will go out. Some will come back, the best, through a process. They have to come back legally. It may not be a quick process, but I think that's fair. They're going to get in line with other people."

"Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation, that is what it means to have laws and to have a country. Otherwise we don’t have a country.”

"We will break the cycle of amnesty and illegal immigration. We will break the cycle. There will be no amnesty, our message to the world will be this: You cannot obtain legal status or become a citizen of the United States by illegally entering our country. Can’t do it."


In one of the Republican debates this exchange occurred:

Q: Can we just send 5 million people back with no effect on economy?

TRUMP: You are going to have to send people out. Look, we either have a country or we don't have a country. We are a country of laws. [Those who entered illegally are] going to have to go out and hopefully they get back. But we have no choice if we're going to run our country properly & if we're going to be a country.

KASICH: If people think that we are going to ship 11 million people who are law-abiding, who are in this country, & somehow pick them up at their house & ship them out to Mexico, think about the families. Think about the children. It's a silly argument. It is not an adult argument. It makes no sense.

TRUMP: Dwight Eisenhower, a great president, moved 1.5 million illegal immigrants out of this country, moved them just beyond the border. They came back. Moved them again beyond the border, they came back. Didn't like it. Moved them way south. They never came back. They moved 1.5 million out. We have no choice.

This exchange occurred on CBS:

Pelley: "Eleven, 12 million illegal immigrants --"

Trump: "Or whatever the number is."

Pelley: "Still in the country, what do you do?"

Trump: "If they've done well, they're going out and they're coming back in legally. Because you said it--"

Pelley: "You're rounding them all up?"

Trump: "We're rounding 'em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. And, by the way, I know it doesn't sound nice. But not everything is nice."

Later in his campaign he started pivoting and softened his position. He started talking about trying to identify and remove the most dangerous illegal immigrants who are criminals, rather than talking about deporting all illegal immigrants and letting some back in. What he said was still awful fear mongering over something that isn't really a huge issue, but it was softer than his earlier approach.

I honestly wonder how you miss this stuff. It's so easy to find, it sometimes feels like you have watched a couple of videos from right wing websites or read a couple of right wing articles that have talked about the bias against Trump and have taken them at face value. The fact of the matter is that for over a year he talked about deporting all illegal immigrants.

It's also important not to take Trump's words about deporting criminal illegal immigrants at face value, it's important not to trust everything he says. You only need to dig a little deeper under surface level to see how deeply flawed Trump's 'plan' is.

This is a great breakdown on the actual logistical realities and implications of what Trump has proposed: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/14/13623004/trump-deport-million-immigrants

Based on what he has said, even later in his campaign, his policies wouldn't just affect violent criminals.