Merkel: Ban Burqa wherever legally possible

[TiphEret 1,320]

On 07/12/2016 at 1:31 PM, Mr Ricky said:

Not generalizing at all, because this happens with every women wearing the burqa from the experience I had. Muslims not wearing burqas greet me as someone else would. That's the point I'm making.

Fcking today, I had the same sh*t. A woman in a burqa with her baby in a stroller,  greeting and waving her, she walks by like nothing happened. And greeting is possible in any form.

And I don't feel uncomfortable, it's just plain rude. You enter my shop, be nice to either give a simple way of a greet in any form. And I don't work in a shop where as I have to ignore my customers, I'm there to work and help the customer feeling welcome and satisfied. 

This is not H&M/Zara.

Man you know what you are so right! I wish we could ban the Hassidic Jews of my neighbours, they ignore us all the time and makes me feel uncomfortable. I mean, the mens, when i cross their path , they LOOK down. What is the police doing!!! And those women with their wigs.... don't even get me started on this.

[Goosey 3,017]

3 hours ago, TiphEret said:

Man you know what you are so right! I wish we could ban the Hassidic Jews of my neighbours, they ignore us all the time and makes me feel uncomfortable. I mean, the mens, when i cross their path , they LOOK down. What is the police doing!!! And those women with their wigs.... don't even get me started on this.

With all this talk of banning burqa in Germany, I'm appalled 

 

 

 

[KingOfSpain 10,010]

2 hours ago, TiphEret said:

You don't seem to know much about situation of Iran before and now, this is quite embarrassing...

The only embarrassing thing here is Iranian modus vivendi. I study History.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

On 12/7/2016 at 11:37 PM, ChrisC said:

To be progressive is one thing but you have to draw the line somewhere. We can't have people wearing/doing whatever they want out of the name of progress. You still have to respect the values and customs that your own country was founded upon.

The burka is not required in islam and is more of a cultural influence imposed by islamic extremists hundreds of years ago. While some are forced to wear it and others choose to wear it, they should respect the cultural differences from country to country. Just like a western women has to adhere to traditional clothing in the Middle East, the same should be done vice versa.

As for freedom of choice, the burka infringes on other people's security and safety in a society. To be multicultural is to be well integrated with other people and cultures where as the burka literally divides oneself from integrating, interacting and accepting one another's culture. I also find it amusing that many on here argue that to ban the burka is against progression when the burka itself is a symbol of what men inflicted on women ages ago. 

Living in Toronto, i see women wearing them on a daily basis and here we have entire neighbourhoods where burka dressed women live and hang out together and it can feel very awkward and intimidating for other women, males, and children.

While the word "ban" might sound harsh, it is the only way to get people to get the message across and personally, if they don't like it, they are more than welcomed to go back to where they came from. I am pro liberalism and in no way a racist, anti-islamic etc, but western countries have to put their foot down once in a while.

The double standard that western countries have to be accepting of everything while the rest of the world does their own thing without a peep from anyone is ludicrous and needs to stop.

Why r u comparing the western world to oppressive nations? We're supposed to be above them. Just because backward nations across the globe are bad, doesn't mean we should be.

Also, burquas do not threaten anything. Just because they make u uncomfortable doesn't mean we should ban them, we can't ban things just because we don't like them. For god sake, isn't that why we (the US) have the first amendment? To protect offensive speech or expression? 

[Redstreak 6,653]

On 12/6/2016 at 9:52 AM, Melech said:

No lies detected. Our society is based on looking in each other faces

What kind of absolutely imperialist ****ing bullshit is this.

 

Halloween costumes better be ****ing banned then I swear to god

[Redstreak 6,653]

On 12/6/2016 at 11:01 AM, ARTPOPNick said:

Say that to those countries who hate the western culture too please 

So in the face of intolerant countries your response is to also be intolerant so that we're just as bad?  

[Redstreak 6,653]

On 12/6/2016 at 8:38 PM, Goosey said:

A revolting authoritarian, xenophobic attack on personal liberty, freedom of expression and immigrant culture disguised as a 'safety' and 'women's rights' issue.

 

Absolutely foul.

Hell just froze over

[Melech 9,900]

9 hours ago, TiphEret said:

Man you know what you are so right! I wish we could ban the Hassidic Jews of my neighbours, they ignore us all the time and makes me feel uncomfortable. I mean, the mens, when i cross their path , they LOOK down. What is the police doing!!! And those women with their wigs.... don't even get me started on this.

They are messy.

Homophobic, sexist idiots.

38 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

What kind of absolutely imperialist ****ing bullshit is this.

 

Halloween costumes better be ****ing banned then I swear to god

watch your mouth considering you liked a post which defended the arab conquest and forced assimilation in North Africa.

[TiphEret 1,320]

5 hours ago, Melech said:

They are messy.

Homophobic, sexist idiots.

watch your mouth considering you liked a post which defended the arab conquest and forced assimilation in North Africa.

Yeah but so are many non Jewish Canadia, so why would they be discriminated right? Because they make others uncomfortable? 

12 hours ago, KingOfSpain said:

The only embarrassing thing here is Iranian modus vivendi. I study History.

I correct myself, the only embarrassing thing is your ignorant racism. I took iranian studies, maybe you should take another history class about Iran. And reading your post it doesn't even seem to stop you from being full of prejudice, unfortunately.

13 hours ago, Goosey said:

With all this talk of banning burqa in Germany, I'm appalled 

 

I know right? (I hope you understand that my post was ironic in order to highlight the BS in the argument of others.)

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, TiphEret said:

Yeah but so are many non Jewish Canadia, so why would they be discriminated right? Because they make others uncomfortable? 

religious extremism shouldn't have a place anywhere imo

[lego 44,165]

5 hours ago, Melech said:

watch your mouth considering you liked a post which defended the arab conquest and forced assimilation in North Africa.

 

What in the world?!   If you're gonna bring up the Arab conquest from 7th century, year 647(!), don't forget to mention as well German and Polish Catholic crusaders forcibly converting Northern European pagans in 1200s, bloodsheds in Estonia, forced German as official language etc.

Northern Africans married and mixed with Arabs, Berbers had many different dialects and couldn't understand each other if they were from different cities. You are actually promoting Arabophobia and Nationalism from the minority of them, only to further divide those countries. You brought up THAT only to defend French colonialism, genocide and oppression, they used to strip Muslim women naked on the streets, which is related to all these recent bans in Europe. Let me remind you, Algerian war for independence ended in 1962, survivors are still alive. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Melech said:

They are messy.

Homophobic, sexist idiots.

 

So should the Jewish religious garments be banned? 

 

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, lego said:

 

What in the world?!   If you're gonna bring up the Arab conquest from 7th century, year 647(!), don't forget to mention as well German and Polish Catholic crusaders forcibly converting Northern European pagans in 1200s, bloodsheds in Estonia, forced German as official language etc.

Northern Africans married and mixed with Arabs, Berbers had many different dialects and couldn't understand each other if they were from different cities. You are actually promoting Arabophobia and Nationalism from the minority of them, only to further divide those countries. You brought up THAT only to defend French colonialism, genocide and oppression, they used to strip Muslim women naked on the streets, which is related to all these recent bans in Europe. Let me remind you, Algerian war for independence ended in 1962, survivors are still alive. 

 

 

 

So should the Jewish religious garments be banned? 

 

To the first part: I even put a link there. So I'm not gonna bring my argument again. Read the article. I didn't defend any french colonialism. And you accusing me of arabophobia because I also believe in the freedom of Amazigh people? (Berber is a slur btw) 

 

And no, muslim garments won't be banned either. 

[lego 44,165]

6 hours ago, Melech said:

To the first part: I even put a link there. So I'm not gonna bring my argument again. Read the article. I didn't defend any french colonialism. 

 

And no, muslim garments won't be banned either. 

 

I don't read your links, I know what you were trying to do with "North Africans are not even Arabs". 

It's because I mentioned ban of Arabic/Islamic clothing under French colonies (which btw differs from Gulf countries) and ban of speaking Arabic language in public. It was related to this topic.  

Burqa and niqab are part of some Muslims' religious garments, it's part of their culture, these topics are about their ban since "they don't belong to West" and wearing them is considered religious extremism, so by that logic Jewish garments should be banned, because extremists wear them as well.   

 

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Since you're going back and editing your comments after I posted mine, let me do the same. If you don't know how to explain yourself, no link nor article on the Internet will help you. Discussion is not throwing links at each other, skipping questions and derailing topic with unrelated comments.

Others here are also doing good job refuting your position, so you can be happy with that emoticon, like you won the debate. lol 

The irony of "leave me alone, don't quote me", when you were just while ago preaching how this is a "forum for discussion and everyone has right to quote anyone, and you'll continue to do that as much as you want". I think it's just an excuse because of the lack of arguments:) 

 

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, lego said:

 

I don't read your links, I know what you were trying to do with "North Africans are not even Arabs". 

It's because I mentioned ban of Arabic/Islamic clothing under French colonies (which btw differs from Gulf countries) and ban of speaking Arabic language in public. It was related to this topic.  

Burqa and niqab are part of some Muslims' religious garments, it's part of their culture, these topics are about their ban since "they don't belong to West" and wearing them is considered religious extremism, so by that logic Jewish garments should be banned, because extremists wear them as well.   

 

Well then I don't even know why you quote me and try to have a discussion with me. This is not how it works. So, leave me alone. Literally, it makes no sense that you quote me. 

And btw if Jews wear something like a burqa it should be banned, too. 

[KingOfSpain 10,010]

1 hour ago, TiphEret said:

I correct myself, the only embarrassing thing is your ignorant racism. I took iranian studies, maybe you should take another history class about Iran. And reading your post it doesn't even seem to stop you from being full of prejudice, unfortunately.

Idc