Netherlands to ban Burqa in public spaces

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My question is if this is banning the hijab as well because hijab=/=burqa. If they're banning any face covering on the basis that it is a threat security and they ban the hijab, the Dutch parliament truly has no merit or knowledge on this issue. A hijab doesn't cover the face and doesn't pose a potential security threat that a burqa could potentially cause, as much as I hate to admit that because the burqa should be classified as a freedom of expression and religion. However, even though I may be clouded by my veil of American exceptionalism, they should not ban the hijab at all under the pretense that a hijab could be classified as a potential security threat. You can see someone's face clearly with a hijab, but whatever... ban what you must to help you sleep at night while you're infringing upon another's rights...

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2 minutes ago, arctikstorm said:

The problem is the xenophobic thinking behind it. What if it's cold and I want to wear my scarf around my face because of it, what will happen then? I'll tell you: nothing because I don't "look muslim".

First of all there is no "muslim" look. And second of all if a person who covers their face stabs you and security cameras caught it but can't identify it. do you like that?

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3 minutes ago, JonathanHolland1 said:

 People still have the right to wear these clothes, just not in bigger public environments. 

Oh, you're totally right. They should do the same about lgbt people. Be whoever you want to be, just not in bigger public enviroments.

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Good

The Quran doesn't even mention women being required to wear the Burqa, so don't tell me its for religious purposes.

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2 minutes ago, arctikstorm said:

Oh, you're totally right. They should do the same about lgbt people. Be whoever you want to be, just not in bigger public enviroments.

???

LGBT people don't pose a security threat lol

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2 minutes ago, Melech said:

First of all there is no "muslim" look. And second of all if a person who covers their face stabs you and security cameras caught it but can't identify it. do you like that?

That's why I put it inside quotation marks. There is no "muslim look" but these fearmongering campaigns like to spread around the idea that burqas represent that look, so they are dangerous, just like all muslim people. 

If a person wants to stab me in front of a camera, I'm sure they will cover their face, regardless of any of these laws.

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3 minutes ago, arctikstorm said:

This is an average person in a cold country like the Netherlands during the winter:

But when they go inside, won't they pull their scarf down or take a ski mask off? If they go in a bank or a school building, they won't continue to leave a ski mask on. In the US, you will be asked to remove your hat and/or glasses in a government building or a bank. (I'm sure some people get away with it, but it is a law)

If the law is for all face coverings in certain places, then it is consistent. 

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1 minute ago, ryanripley said:

???

LGBT people don't pose a security threat lol

And clothes do. Amazing thought.

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16 minutes ago, arctikstorm said:

The security argument is crap, and it's only based in fearmongering. 

Do you think that a person who wants to commit a crime is honestly concerned if they are showing their face just to please the law? NO. If a person wants to commit a crime without being identified, they will still wear a mask!! 

This is the transgender bathroom argument all over again...if a man wants to attack a woman in the bathroom, it's not a stick figure wearing a skirt on the door that is going to stop him!

Police can investigate people when they see that they are wearing something that covers their face. e.g clown mask or burqa

 

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Just now, arctikstorm said:

And clothes do. Amazing thought.

Certain clothing makes it easier for criminals to get away with their crimes though.

Just ask a Brazilian how they'd feel if they saw someone with a biker helmet on walking into a building.

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3 minutes ago, monstereo said:

Good

The Quran doesn't even mention women being required to wear the Burqa, so don't tell me its for religious purposes.

I've often wondered this...how did they get to this requirement? Why are some women required to cover even their eyes and some just the back of their hair? 

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23 minutes ago, arctikstorm said:

The security argument is crap, and it's only based in fearmongering. 

Do you think that a person who wants to commit a crime is honestly concerned if they are showing their face just to please the law? NO. If a person wants to commit a crime without being identified, they will still wear a mask!! 

This is the transgender bathroom argument all over again...if a man wants to attack a woman in the bathroom, it's not a stick figure wearing a skirt on the door that is going to stop him!

It's to give legal power for you/the police to request someone remove any clothing covering their face... for example if someone walks into your store with their face covered you can legally request they remove anything covering their face and if they refuse they can be prosecuted for it. It really is a safety move and the only fearmongering is coming from the article's title pointing out Burqas alone for whatever reason...

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1 minute ago, arctikstorm said:

And clothes do. Amazing thought.

i think you're just missing the point in purpose now...

it's clothing that hides the entire face that has been banned in public spaces, clothing that hides people's identities

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1 minute ago, Whispering said:

I've often wondered this...how did they get to this requirement? Why are some women required to cover even their eyes and some just the back of their hair? 

sexism  

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, arctikstorm said:

And clothes do. Amazing thought.

"By my count, the Philadelphia region has had 15 robberies (or attempted robberies) of financial institutions in the past six years in which the thieves relied on an Islamic full-body cover. These took place in January 2007, June 2007, May 2008 (two), October 2009 (two), November 2009, February 2011, June 2011, December 2011, January 2012, March 2012 (two) and April 2012 (two). The most violent one took place on May 3, 2008, when Police Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski was killed in a shootout following a robbery by perpetrators wearing burqas. One of the criminals also died in the exchange."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/21/when-burqas-become-accessories-to-crime/