Benji 20,113 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Fanta said: I'll be honest and admit I also thought it was weird as hell how she's spending an entire era on grief over an aunt she never met. Like the original poster said, it impacted her sure but this weird personal connection she's talking about feels off. I once used to believe in her 'crazy' authenticity, but this era has me questioning many things that as a once 'stan' I chose to ignore. I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling a bit like this I think the problem with "Joanne" as a concept is that Gaga doesn't understand how she feels herself and is forcing something that doesn't feel authentic. I don't want to sound like "well this is how I feel so everyone is else wrong" but my grandmother and her sisters lost their brother in a motorcycle accident when they were all in their twenties and they all speak of him extremely fondly. Ironically, my grandmother has said previously that there's parts of me that remind her about him, especially now that I am in my twenties. I understand her when she speaks of feeling a little "odd" because it feels like there's this huge personality in my family that I've never met but trying to flesh this feeling out as an entire persona and concept just feels a little hit and miss, mostly miss. There's moments where it's sweet but then the rest just feels forced. / I feel bad for dismissing an era dedicated to a dead relative but I suppose this kind of backs up the point of this thread. I'm so worried about being "negative" about Gaga because she's gone on about people being negative Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGetHigh 52,683 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 That's longer than my research paper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 4 hours ago, aaronyoji said: well sorry (/notsorry) but thats selfish, and kind of illogical/stupid. i honestly just think this is an apologist mindset and double standard towards gaga vs other legends. she can't be vulnerable, but madonna and beyonce can because they're "empowered strong independent women" which, one has based their entire early image on the male fantasy while the other exploited the middle class struggle of single parenthood and then made their supposedly cheating husband rich because of it. also, gaga was raped, does sexual assault not stack up at all? i mean, if we're gonna compare.... this idea that a woman is only strong through not being visibly vulnerable is actually not as feminist as people think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioIsOurs 13,876 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 omg where do y'all find so much time to write all this sh!t... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaTheExplorer 3,053 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 this thread was so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I agree. some of these bottoms have the attention span of a bee and won't bother reading, don't worry about them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,115 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 4 hours ago, littlepotter said: 6 years later she releases a whole album about her dead aunt What kind of misunderstanding... The album isn't about her aunt The album is about her. Joanne was the inspiration, but the content is entirely about Stefani. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta 5,019 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 55 minutes ago, Benji said: I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling a bit like this I think the problem with "Joanne" as a concept is that Gaga doesn't understand how she feels herself and is forcing something that doesn't feel authentic. I don't want to sound like "well this is how I feel so everyone is else wrong" but my grandmother and her sisters lost their brother in a motorcycle accident when they were all in their twenties and they all speak of him extremely fondly. Ironically, my grandmother has said previously that there's parts of me that remind her about him, especially now that I am in my twenties. I understand her when she speaks of feeling a little "odd" because it feels like there's this huge personality in my family that I've never met but trying to flesh this feeling out as an entire persona and concept just feels a little hit and miss, mostly miss. There's moments where it's sweet but then the rest just feels forced. / I feel bad for dismissing an era dedicated to a dead relative but I suppose this kind of backs up the point of this thread. I'm so worried about being "negative" about Gaga because she's gone on about people being negative I think the general vibe in GGD is that anyone who disagrees with or doesn't like something Gaga puts out is immediately being negative and that is not the case. You shouldn't have to feel like you need to be apologetic for questioning these things. She is the pop star and we're her fans, when we don't understand something or don't like it we're obviously going to speak out. And to add to my point, this era has been the biggest 'WTF' Gaga has put out because for the most part she's alienated herself in every Gaga way from her fanbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,115 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 In response to the OP, as someone who has spent most of their life onstage, there is one thing I'm sure of: it is much harder, and more rewarding, to be vulnerable in front of an audience. It takes true bravery to expose yourself emotionally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I read the whole thing. I think it's ashame that other gaga daily members can't allow themselves to be critical of Gaga. This wasn't even a negative post but they react to everything that isn't praise like it is negative towards Gaga. Why do we have to like and agree with everything Gaga does? Anyway, I thought your post was so well thought out and well written and I'm glad you wrote it to be honest. Because I have had these thoughts myself and I 100% agree with everything you say. I am a massive Gaga fan and don't like it when people put her down but that doesn't mean I can't think about her and her career with a critical mindset. I don't think she ever has been troubled and I hate to say it but I have wondered if she was being less than truthful about the producer who allegedly abused her. I know that's a horrible thing to say and I hate myself for saying it BUT as the op mentioned, Gaga's parents have played a big part in her career. I doubt anything like that could have happened if her father was around. But it's the way it all came out that didn't seem right to me. It seemed contrived like she needed the public to see this other side of her and she needed to sell a song and it wouldn't have been as acclaimed if it was sung by somebody who hadn't been through it and didn't understand the emotions themselves. I have noticed how she seems inauthentic at times when she talks of drug problems and the things that have affected her. I think she was forcing the rock and roll lifestyle which was just her hanging out with the likes of Lady Starlight and SPW, partying til 6am and doing a line of coke now and again. I personally don't buy the whole Joanne thing either. I think it's very forced. I do think it's affected the family but I think she wants to come across like she's this multi-faceted enigma of a person when in actual fact she is one dimensional and just a normal girl. I do think Lady Gaga as a whole is a character even though she says otherwise. She's been clever to keep her private life separate because she can still be true to herself. But can create any kind of history and lifestyle for the persona of Lady Gaga because it's not her. Even though it looks like I have been incredibly harsh about her, I still adore everything that she creates because she is still an artist after all. I will be a fan forever but I will never be somebody who just blindly follows without questioning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichAssPiss 4,917 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Oh, get off it. You don't like artists who admit to human feelings and take care of their mental and physical health? So sick of these indulgent think pieces about the state of one's fandom cluttering the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 5 hours ago, aaronyoji said: this idea that a woman is only strong through not being visibly vulnerable is actually not as feminist as people think. Not feminist at all... it buys into male stereotypes of strength. it's not a good model for men either. when men call someone a "***" or tell a male or female to "grow some balls" they are saying that behavior they stereotype as feminine is inferior. Gaga tried that and it failed for her, that doesn't make her weak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwerk 7,243 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I recognize a lot from your post. I just don't really think she plays the victim intentionally. I think she wishes she didn't care as much and would just be able to move past things, but that's just not her personality and that's what she's trying to make the most of it. Her way to deal with her mental struggles is to share them. It is unusual but I think she's gotten better at it these past years. I also have a self destructive nature and I can't get past it so I see a lot of myself in her. Therefor I admire her sharing this so I can learn from it. I am an emotional person, but I hold it all in. Therefor I may appear strong but I'm not. Gaga is a very emotional person, she picks up the energy of those around her and almost absorbs it. When someone opens up to her, she cries. I would never. Does that make her weak? No, not to me. She is a bit of a dramaqueen in some ways too, especially about her upbringing, but I've embraced that side of her since the start. She seems to overthink many things and therefor can be very contradictory when expressing herself. Back in 2011 I felt things were going wrong for Gaga when she seemed to start to lean on her fans too much. There was too much sadness with people bombarding her with personal stories of hearbreak and struggle. Instead of empowering her I think it become overbearing. Even I felt down at shows and online, it seemed like every fan was focussed on subjects like depression, self harm and suicide. I can imagine it got to Gaga, her being as sensitive to others emotions as she is. Joanne may be a tribute to her dead aunt, I remember her saying it's about the pain it caused her family, not Gaga personally. I find a lot of people who say she's crying over someone she never knew to be overreacting. Gaga always made it clear this album had many subjects, comes from a happy place and is an ode to her family. Her aunt gives her a sence of purpose, a direction, a focus she seems to need with that busy mind of hers. (Just like Beyonce seems to find guidance in God and Blue and Madonna in Kabbalah, exercize and her kids) I admire the outer strenght of Madonna and Beyonce, but it also seems like a big wall they built. I often feel like they're miserable off stage. I used to be a huge Madonna fan and I always found it very hard to relate to her because she was so guarded, even on stage. Only recently she became much more interactive with her audience. Before she barely looked at her fans, now she invites them on stage! So I think a bit of Gaga's openness rubbed off on her. She even shared her pain about the situation with Rocco. They all have their strengths and weaknesses and continue to grow and I feel Gaga is heading in the right direction. Maybe a bit too slow for some, but at least it's her own pase and nothing that is forced upon her. According to Gaga I'm a ****ing rad bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow 1,582 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 @jojuun Wonderful post! Dont mind the rude ppl that cant even bother to read, let alone understand you prrferctly polite post. I agree on most with your post, so.i dont have much to add. To me at least it's a very personal issue; I truly truly believe in strong overcomming rather than ANY victim bs. Thats how i dealt with my past and obsticless and thats what i seek and admire in ppl. they are the example for me to stay strong and win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,564 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Madonnas life is tragic yet I still don't care about her music. This is the worst conspiracy theory that I have ever heard of omg. Yes I'd love to see her be badass again like The Fame Mons†er days but this was truly a terrible read. Especially when you started to compare her to Madonna. You're five years LATE sis. Tragic back stories get you pity support. Talent and promo get you actual support. These are musical artists. There only as big as their songs. If you don't like Joanne just bc it sounds nothing like Gaga's previous, Madonna, Prince or MJs music, then admit it & leave. Even Madge fans who don't hate gaga are insufferable smh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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