Why I Admire Gaga Less Now

[Denys 848]

2 hours ago, Valgorie said:

Since ARTPOP and Joanne, I've been feeling as though she now has to try to get a point across. It's obvious that in no moment during ARTPOP the music spoke for itself: Gaga explained herself over and over again (never making much sense), taking away any artistic meaning the album could have.

They are two things here: 1) you never understood ARTPOP, 2) you weren't listening. 

Listen to ARTPOP the album track for more clarification 

[Denys 848]

1 hour ago, Mythos said:

I also have an uncle who died before i was born, he killed his wife and then himself, leaving a son behind, and it did really affect my family, and my mother talked all the time about him, cause she loved him so much, but, how can it affect me, if i never knew him?

How can i sit down and writer an album about this person i never knew. Isn't it kinda disrespectful to people who to go through all that pain? My mother died over a month ago fighting leukemia for 6 years, and to be honest, i would find it so offensive if someone writes an album about a person who died fighting cancer before they where born and know nothing about the struggles.  

I don't say it didn't affect her in anyway, but it definitely  didn't affect her the way it did her father and her mother, the people who went through all the pain and suffering.

Am sorry to say but this is rather very stupid to say the least, Gagas name is Joanne first and foremost, also the way she feels things is not the same as u do. will you feel disrespected if you child wrote a song about ur mum because u always spoke about her 'in details' and in somany ways you child feels connected to her? Example having the same ambition, suffering from the same sickness? 

[Mythos 3,199]

3 minutes ago, Denys said:

Am sorry to say but this is rather very stupid to say the least, Gagas name is Joanne first and foremost, also the way she feels things is not the same as u do. will you feel disrespected if you child wrote a song about ur mum because u always spoke about her 'in details' and in somany ways you child feels connected to her? Example having the same ambition, suffering from the same sickness? 

She is making her Aunt the center of attention, and i do love the song Joanne, but i personally find it disrespectful, cause she is using her Aunt to promote her album.

How can you feel connected to someone if you have never met that person? Isn't that all in your head? And if my child writes a song about my mother, and talks about it all the time, and how this album helped the family to heal after more then 30 years, yeah, i would find it disrespectful.

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

1 hour ago, Justinn said:

Wow. After this thread I feel like I may no longer be the most hated person on this forum. 

You're not hated! I enjoy your posts. 

[HausOfNicole 177]

I think this really boiles down to being an open person versus being a closed off figure. Gaga for better or worst gives you herself, plus the performance, entertainment, etc. At times it's  messy, attention seeking and raw.

I believe she has the strength you admire in Madonna and Beyoncé, but they're are both traditionally hidden figures. They rarely show vulnerability because that's just who they are as people, versus Gaga who's willing to show it all. I don't think she wants some tragic back story, but like a lot of artist people she does have a self destructive darkeness. For the sake of mentally stability it's good to let this out though, but I understand if it's not the biggest turn on. Just depends on how your define strength and weaknesses really. 

[MonsterOfSpain 8,318]

1 hour ago, Mythos said:

I also have an uncle who died before i was born, he killed his wife and then himself, leaving a son behind, and it did really affect my family, and my mother talked all the time about him, cause she loved him so much, but, how can it affect me, if i never knew him?

How can i sit down and writer an album about this person i never knew. Isn't it kinda disrespectful to people who to go through all that pain? My mother died over a month ago fighting leukemia for 6 years, and to be honest, i would find it so offensive if someone writes an album about a person who died fighting cancer before they where born and know nothing about the struggles.  

I don't say it didn't affect her in anyway, but it definitely  didn't affect her the way it did her father and her mother, the people who went through all the pain and suffering.

 

Joanne is not only about her aunt though... it's about her family and how her loss affected them, especially her father. And of course it's also about healing in a more general context. I think seeing it from the Joanne perspective is limitating its concept a lot. Don't forget that her middle name is Joanne, so I think her titling it Joanne has a double meaning in that sense too.

[Himeros26 1,688]

This was a very interesting read, but I think you're very wrong about the "playing the victim" mindset. If she really wanted to, she would have released the DWUW video. She would have exploited her hip injury. She would have brought up the hip, and whatever else in interviews. She has always been a private person and she never really used to let people know too much about her personal life until Kinney, because it would have been hard to keep private. 

I dunno, that's just me though.

[Sepsami 18,887]

13 hours ago, jojuun said:

No, what I'm saying is that they touch on their tragedies to, but they don't dwell on them. They source pure dedication out of those tragic moments. Gaga talks about them mostly. That's the difference.

Also, Madonna was raped. To used your own words "If we're gonna compare..."

So that's the death of her mother aged 5, financial setback, an emotionally unavailable strict father and rape in her early adulthood.

Compared to self-inflicted drug use and the death of an aunt Gaga never even knew.

Like I said in my OP, it's not a contest. But if "we're going to compare..." like you put it so eloquently.

Don't compare people, ever. Gaga and Madonna are completely different people who deal with their struggles differently. Maybe Madonna handled it by focussing on her career and gaga handles it by being open about it and making a connection with others, just look at how she preached kindness and positivity in all of her shows. not to mention the affection she has for her fans. You're being insensitive and I don't see the point of this post at all.

[MaryJane 2]

42 minutes ago, Mythos said:

She is making her Aunt the center of attention, and i do love the song Joanne, but i personally find it disrespectful, cause she is using her Aunt to promote her album.

How can you feel connected to someone if you have never met that person? Isn't that all in your head? And if my child writes a song about my mother, and talks about it all the time, and how this album helped the family to heal after more then 30 years, yeah, i would find it disrespectful.

I agree with this. It won't taint my image of the song, but it does raise some questions.

[mic 1,415]

8 hours ago, djBuffoon said:

In response to the OP, as someone who has spent most of their life onstage, there is one thing I'm sure of: it is much harder, and more rewarding, to be vulnerable in front of an audience. It takes true bravery to expose yourself emotionally. 

OP was about what's real and what's that she wants to be real

 

I kind of agree when it comes to her need to have dark story. i also struggle to understand why Joanne is such a tragedy for her, stuff like this happens and she didn't even know her aunt

[giskardsb 12,565]

1 hour ago, Mythos said:

She is making her Aunt the center of attention, and i do love the song Joanne, but i personally find it disrespectful, cause she is using her Aunt to promote her album.

How can you feel connected to someone if you have never met that person? Isn't that all in your head? And if my child writes a song about my mother, and talks about it all the time, and how this album helped the family to heal after more then 30 years, yeah, i would find it disrespectful.

There is no possible way that you can know anything about Gaga or her families attitude in this matter.  Just because you wouldn't feel connected doesn't mean that she doesn't.  Clearly Gaga's family doesn't find this disrespectful in the least.   You are making a lot of assumptions that you are not entitled to make and forming a bad opinion of Gaga because of it.

[Runway 27,876]

Why no ones closed this mess yet lol?

[GagzDonkeyD 1,293]

54 minutes ago, Mythos said:

She is making her Aunt the center of attention, and i do love the song Joanne, but i personally find it disrespectful, cause she is using her Aunt to promote her album.

How can you feel connected to someone if you have never met that person? Isn't that all in your head? And if my child writes a song about my mother, and talks about it all the time, and how this album helped the family to heal after more then 30 years, yeah, i would find it disrespectful.

Omg are we really gonna do this again? 

One)She dedicated the entire album to her aunt how can she not talk abt it ? What should she say then ? 

Two) go watch her old btw interview u will know her aunt has a impact on her family then herself . she's been talking abt it before Joanne even pray right before every tour. I have never met my grandmother but my dad always talked abt her she died when my dad is at a young age it's kinda struggle that my dad could never get pass. Idk but I do wish I could've met her I don't think abt it a lot but when I think abt it it's heartbreaking for my dad obviously 

Anyways I love gaga not BC her cold cruel image like Madge and bey . I love her BC I feel connected to her even I have never met her in person 

Shes my hero and shell always be no matter how weak she is 

It's the weakest moment of hers related to me the most. I'm a freak like her im weak like her and sometimes I can try like her 

I just love this woman 

Omg cringyyyyyyyyyy 

 

[Mythos 3,199]

10 hours ago, giskardsb said:

There is no possible way that you can know anything about Gaga or her families attitude in this matter.  Just because you wouldn't feel connected doesn't mean that she doesn't.  Clearly Gaga's family doesn't find this disrespectful in the least.   You are making a lot of assumptions that you are not entitled to make and forming a bad opinion of Gaga because of it.

I am not making any assumption. How in hell is this Album about her dead Aunt and her Family dealing with the pain, and get over it, over 30 year later? How? 

In Japan she cries when they gave her Kimono and second later it's "Joanne helped me and my family alot to deal with loosing my aunt, buy the album". 

She can do whatever she want's, but i don't buy this act for a second. If she said, this album is about me, my life and one song is about my dead aunt, it would be different. But her aunt is the center of attention of this album, and it's clearly not. But hey, tragic, and pain seems more vulnerable to people, so...

[Gaga Monster 13,001]

I have never admired her less but it is sad to see her work ethic go, she doesnt care anymore