Melech 9,900 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, bionic said: Can't knock EU opportunism One countries failure makes another nations easier to push agendas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mee 381 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 19 hours ago, Luc said: Mind you Germany is one of the least hawkish NATO members, with military spending of 1.2% of GDP (compared to 2.1% France, 2.0% UK and 3.7% US. The EU is the biggest economy in the world and has the potential to create the greatest army in the world. I don't think that's necessary, but it's important that the EU can't rely on the US as much as now. And let's be honest, the EU is pretty much the only 'morally superior' nation at the moment (and Canada! Sweden, Finland) edit: saw your new post. nuance is important! Sorry but LOL There are some countries here with military schools for children. There are countries in EU which are very homophobic Here are countries with right-wing governments Here are som countries without free press You can not generalize that simple, europe and EU are very diverse. And the EU is far away to be a nation, especially in collective consciousness it's very far away. Yes, the identity as a European has increased, but that does not mean that it is already a nation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, INTERNET said: Sorry but LOL There are some countries here with military schools for children. There are countries in EU which are very homophobic Here are countries with right-wing governments Here are som countries without free press You can not generalize that simple, europe and EU are very diverse. And the EU is far away to be a nation, especially in collective consciousness it's very far away. Yes, the identity as a European has increased, but that does not mean that it is already a nation I wrote 'nation' just for the controversy I know the EU isn't a nation yet and that pride is such a strong emotion that people aren't just gonna watch a debate on TV and think: 'oh hey! A federal Europe, I'm convinced!' But to your main point, yes there are a lot of countries in Europe that have big right-wing and homophobic/fundamentalist movements like Poland, but those countries have the least power. If you look at the actions of the EU as a whole, you see that European countries give the most foreign aid, participate in the least wars and take the most refugees with the best refugee camps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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