Holocaust scholar compared Trump to Hitler, got suspended

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read the article from the link

[AlexanderMagno 10,746]

This is so conflicting 

 

On one hand, yes Trump has said lots of crazy things and the future is so unknown it is impossible not to think about Hitler. We fear.

 

On the other hand, we can't keep comparing every bad guy to Hitler. And Trump is nowhere near, yet, Hitler's power. It's too much.

[manicholic 3,694]

3 minutes ago, AlexanderMagno said:

This is so conflicting 

 

On one hand, yes Trump has said lots of crazy things and the future is so unknown it is impossible not to think about Hitler. We fear.

 

On the other hand, we can't keep comparing every bad guy to Hitler. And Trump is nowhere near, yet, Hitler's power. It's too much.

[manicholic 3,694]

2 minutes ago, manicholic said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html?_r=1

• Hitler was often described as an egomaniac who “only loved himself” — a narcissist with a taste for self-dramatization and what Mr. Ullrich calls a “characteristic fondness for superlatives.” His manic speeches and penchant for taking all-or-nothing risks raised questions about his capacity for self-control, even his sanity. But Mr. Ullrich underscores Hitler’s shrewdness as a politician — with a “keen eye for the strengths and weaknesses of other people” and an ability to “instantaneously analyze and exploit situations.”

• Hitler was known, among colleagues, for a “bottomless mendacity” that would later be magnified by a slick propaganda machine that used the latest technology (radio, gramophone records, film) to spread his message. A former finance minister wrote that Hitler “was so thoroughly untruthful that he could no longer recognize the difference between lies and truth” and editors of one edition of “Mein Kampf” described it as a “swamp of lies, distortions, innuendoes, half-truths and real facts.”

• Hitler was an effective orator and actor, Mr. Ullrich reminds readers, adept at assuming various masks and feeding off the energy of his audiences. Although he concealed his anti-Semitism beneath a “mask of moderation” when trying to win the support of the socially liberal middle classes, he specialized in big, theatrical rallies staged with spectacular elements borrowed from the circus. Here, “Hitler adapted the content of his speeches to suit the tastes of his lower-middle-class, nationalist-conservative, ethnic-chauvinist and anti-Semitic listeners,” Mr. Ullrich writes. He peppered his speeches with coarse phrases and put-downs of hecklers. Even as he fomented chaos by playing to crowds’ fears and resentments, he offered himself as the visionary leader who could restore law and order.

• Hitler increasingly presented himself in messianic terms, promising “to lead Germany to a new era of national greatness,” though he was typically vague about his actual plans. He often harked back to a golden age for the country, Mr. Ullrich says, the better “to paint the present day in hues that were all the darker. Everywhere you looked now, there was only decline and decay.”

• Hitler’s repertoire of topics, Mr. Ullrich notes, was limited, and reading his speeches in retrospect, “it seems amazing that he attracted larger and larger audiences” with “repeated mantralike phrases” consisting largely of “accusations, vows of revenge and promises for the future.” But Hitler virtually wrote the modern playbook on demagoguery, arguing in “Mein Kampf” that propaganda must appeal to the emotions — not the reasoning powers — of the crowd. Its “purely intellectual level,” Hitler said, “will have to be that of the lowest mental common denominator among the public it is desired to reach.” Because the understanding of the masses “is feeble,” he went on, effective propaganda needed to be boiled down to a few slogans that should be “persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea that has been put forward.”

• Hitler’s rise was not inevitable, in Mr. Ullrich’s opinion. There were numerous points at which his ascent might have been derailed, he contends; even as late as January 1933, “it would have been eminently possible to prevent his nomination as Reich chancellor.” He benefited from a “constellation of crises that he was able to exploit cleverly and unscrupulously” — in addition to economic woes and unemployment, there was an “erosion of the political center” and a growing resentment of the elites. The unwillingness of Germany’s political parties to compromise had contributed to a perception of government dysfunction, Mr. Ullrich suggests, and the belief of Hitler supporters that the country needed “a man of iron” who could shake things up. “Why not give the National Socialists a chance?” a prominent banker said of the Nazis. “They seem pretty gutsy to me.”

• Hitler’s ascension was aided and abetted by the naïveté of domestic adversaries who failed to appreciate his ruthlessness and tenacity, and by foreign statesmen who believed they could control his aggression. Early on, revulsion at Hitler’s style and appearance, Mr. Ullrich writes, led some critics to underestimate the man and his popularity, while others dismissed him as a celebrity, a repellent but fascinating “evening’s entertainment.” Politicians, for their part, suffered from the delusion that the dominance of traditional conservatives in the cabinet would neutralize the threat of Nazi abuse of power and “fence Hitler in.” “As far as Hitler’s long-term wishes were concerned,” Mr. Ullrich observes, “his conservative coalition partners believed either that he was not serious or that they could exert a moderating influence on him. In any case, they were severely mistaken.”

• Hitler, it became obvious, could not be tamed — he needed only five months to consolidate absolute power after becoming chancellor. “Non-National Socialist German states” were brought into line, Mr. Ullrich writes, “with pressure from the party grass roots combining effectively with pseudo-legal measures ordered by the Reich government.” Many Germans jumped on the Nazi bandwagon not out of political conviction but in hopes of improving their career opportunities, he argues, while fear kept others from speaking out against the persecution of the Jews. The independent press was banned or suppressed and books deemed “un-German” were burned. By March 1933, Hitler had made it clear, Mr. Ullrich says, “that his government was going to do away with all norms of separation of powers and the rule of law.”

• Hitler had a dark, Darwinian view of the world. And he would not only become, in Mr. Ullrich’s words, “a mouthpiece of the cultural pessimism” growing in right-wing circles in the Weimar Republic, but also the avatar of what Thomas Mann identified as a turning away from reason and the fundamental principles of a civil society — namely, “liberty, equality, education, optimism and belief in progress.”

[Buddy 5,686]

18 minutes ago, AlexanderMagno said:

This is so conflicting 

 

On one hand, yes Trump has said lots of crazy things and the future is so unknown it is impossible not to think about Hitler. We fear.

 

On the other hand, we can't keep comparing every bad guy to Hitler. And Trump is nowhere near, yet, Hitler's power. It's too much.

So, maybe the comparison will lead to us thinking that Trump is nowhere near Hitler? Trump used the fear in Americans as a political tactic to an extent we haven't seen in modern history. We shouldn't be able to let him slide by without some critical analyzing. How come little Trumpsters are only anti-PC when it benefits them and their hateful ideology?

 The fact is this guy is a Holocaust scholar, I think he is inclined to educate his students on the matter using a comparison which is commonly brought up by millennials. The truth is a little Trumpster was pressed and reported him.

[Sizzily 14,574]

4 minutes ago, manicholic said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html?_r=1

• Hitler was often described as an egomaniac who “only loved himself” — a narcissist with a taste for self-dramatization and what Mr. Ullrich calls a “characteristic fondness for superlatives.” His manic speeches and penchant for taking all-or-nothing risks raised questions about his capacity for self-control, even his sanity. But Mr. Ullrich underscores Hitler’s shrewdness as a politician — with a “keen eye for the strengths and weaknesses of other people” and an ability to “instantaneously analyze and exploit situations.”

• Hitler was known, among colleagues, for a “bottomless mendacity” that would later be magnified by a slick propaganda machine that used the latest technology (radio, gramophone records, film) to spread his message. A former finance minister wrote that Hitler “was so thoroughly untruthful that he could no longer recognize the difference between lies and truth” and editors of one edition of “Mein Kampf” described it as a “swamp of lies, distortions, innuendoes, half-truths and real facts.”

• Hitler was an effective orator and actor, Mr. Ullrich reminds readers, adept at assuming various masks and feeding off the energy of his audiences. Although he concealed his anti-Semitism beneath a “mask of moderation” when trying to win the support of the socially liberal middle classes, he specialized in big, theatrical rallies staged with spectacular elements borrowed from the circus. Here, “Hitler adapted the content of his speeches to suit the tastes of his lower-middle-class, nationalist-conservative, ethnic-chauvinist and anti-Semitic listeners,” Mr. Ullrich writes. He peppered his speeches with coarse phrases and put-downs of hecklers. Even as he fomented chaos by playing to crowds’ fears and resentments, he offered himself as the visionary leader who could restore law and order.

• Hitler increasingly presented himself in messianic terms, promising “to lead Germany to a new era of national greatness,” though he was typically vague about his actual plans. He often harked back to a golden age for the country, Mr. Ullrich says, the better “to paint the present day in hues that were all the darker. Everywhere you looked now, there was only decline and decay.”

• Hitler’s repertoire of topics, Mr. Ullrich notes, was limited, and reading his speeches in retrospect, “it seems amazing that he attracted larger and larger audiences” with “repeated mantralike phrases” consisting largely of “accusations, vows of revenge and promises for the future.” But Hitler virtually wrote the modern playbook on demagoguery, arguing in “Mein Kampf” that propaganda must appeal to the emotions — not the reasoning powers — of the crowd. Its “purely intellectual level,” Hitler said, “will have to be that of the lowest mental common denominator among the public it is desired to reach.” Because the understanding of the masses “is feeble,” he went on, effective propaganda needed to be boiled down to a few slogans that should be “persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea that has been put forward.”

• Hitler’s rise was not inevitable, in Mr. Ullrich’s opinion. There were numerous points at which his ascent might have been derailed, he contends; even as late as January 1933, “it would have been eminently possible to prevent his nomination as Reich chancellor.” He benefited from a “constellation of crises that he was able to exploit cleverly and unscrupulously” — in addition to economic woes and unemployment, there was an “erosion of the political center” and a growing resentment of the elites. The unwillingness of Germany’s political parties to compromise had contributed to a perception of government dysfunction, Mr. Ullrich suggests, and the belief of Hitler supporters that the country needed “a man of iron” who could shake things up. “Why not give the National Socialists a chance?” a prominent banker said of the Nazis. “They seem pretty gutsy to me.”

• Hitler’s ascension was aided and abetted by the naïveté of domestic adversaries who failed to appreciate his ruthlessness and tenacity, and by foreign statesmen who believed they could control his aggression. Early on, revulsion at Hitler’s style and appearance, Mr. Ullrich writes, led some critics to underestimate the man and his popularity, while others dismissed him as a celebrity, a repellent but fascinating “evening’s entertainment.” Politicians, for their part, suffered from the delusion that the dominance of traditional conservatives in the cabinet would neutralize the threat of Nazi abuse of power and “fence Hitler in.” “As far as Hitler’s long-term wishes were concerned,” Mr. Ullrich observes, “his conservative coalition partners believed either that he was not serious or that they could exert a moderating influence on him. In any case, they were severely mistaken.”

• Hitler, it became obvious, could not be tamed — he needed only five months to consolidate absolute power after becoming chancellor. “Non-National Socialist German states” were brought into line, Mr. Ullrich writes, “with pressure from the party grass roots combining effectively with pseudo-legal measures ordered by the Reich government.” Many Germans jumped on the Nazi bandwagon not out of political conviction but in hopes of improving their career opportunities, he argues, while fear kept others from speaking out against the persecution of the Jews. The independent press was banned or suppressed and books deemed “un-German” were burned. By March 1933, Hitler had made it clear, Mr. Ullrich says, “that his government was going to do away with all norms of separation of powers and the rule of law.”

• Hitler had a dark, Darwinian view of the world. And he would not only become, in Mr. Ullrich’s words, “a mouthpiece of the cultural pessimism” growing in right-wing circles in the Weimar Republic, but also the avatar of what Thomas Mann identified as a turning away from reason and the fundamental principles of a civil society — namely, “liberty, equality, education, optimism and belief in progress.”

I'm curious to see how you will react when Trump doesn't end up killing 6 million immigrants or whatever.  I mean, you're really trying with all this.

[manicholic 3,694]

Just now, Sizzily said:

I'm curious to see how you will react when Trump doesn't end up killing 6 million immigrants.  I mean, you're really trying with all this.

Get educated.

[The Surrealist 27,470]

Why, tho?

Trump didn't kill millions of Jews. He is just an asshole and a liar, but I don't think he is murderer, who are we, trumpsters?

[River 128,942]

The schools in the USA are so disgusting.. instead of educating the future students to be better people they are protecting the bullies, the racist and the homophobs..

It's not the first time that they are taking bad actions against the victim and against the peaceful mind.

Just a proof that the problem in the USA is education..

This teacher needs to get a raise in his salary for teaching his students which person not be, to use the past and protect the future.

But no, he gets fired because some Republicans can't stand other opinions.

I'm still thinking that Trump is simply a dumb fascist and not the next Hitler.. the real Hitlers are the people that he's going to choose to be in his government.. Trump is going to be just a doll..

[Sizzily 14,574]

7 minutes ago, manicholic said:

Get educated.

Really? That's it? You can't seriously think the Presidency has this much power. He's only guaranteed 4 years and at the most he has 8. Hitler was in power for well over a decade. And that's even assuming Trump is like you say he is.

And you pretty much replied to someone else in another thread with the same "learn stuff" ****. How about you stop the fear mongering?

Delusional.

[manicholic 3,694]

1 minute ago, Sizzily said:

Really? That's it? You can't seriously think the Presidency has this much power. He's only guaranteed 4 years and at the most he has 8. Hitler was in power for well over a decade. And that's even assuming Trump is like you say he is.

And you pretty much replied to someone else in another thread with the same "learn stuff" ****. How about you stop the fear mongering?

Delusional.

Stay in history class. We're in this together. 

[lego 44,165]

11 minutes ago, Sycamore said:

Why, tho?

 

 

Read the article. 

Do you think he deserves to be suspended? 

[Morphine Prince 110,002]

Lol ironic since this man is more qualified to make these type of comparisons than any of us? 

"But Trump won't kill millions of people" is a dumb thing to say. 

You know someone's CHARACTER can be compared to someone else right? 

[The Surrealist 27,470]

Just now, YourSweet666 said:

 

Read the article. 

Do you think he deserves to be suspended? 

Yeah, I meant why he said that.

I don't know, honestly, it's false Information on the one hand, but it's "just an opinion" on the other hand.

[lego 44,165]

2 minutes ago, Sycamore said:

Yeah, I meant why he said that.

I don't know, honestly, it's false Information on the one hand, but it's "just an opinion" on the other hand.

 

 

When confronted about his teaching methods, Navarro said he told the principal that everything he said in class was based on facts.

He said that going by how the complaint was described to him, the parent said Navarro told his students that Trump is Hitler.

“I never said that. That would be historical sloppy thinking,” Navarro said. “What I’ve been teaching is there are remarkable parallels between Hitler and Donald Trump.”