President Biden 5,898 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, Fay said: You cant be a libertarian and a friend of them.. you either are part of them or a friend of them.. also, are you saying that libertarians believe in boarders? Yes we do believe in borders and I mean that I have libertarian friends I got drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I wish I could be there. The media has got it all wrong. Not the working class is passionate and angry, the high-educated progressives are angry. Progress was already too slow and now it's being reversed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Halsey said: Yes we do believe in borders and I mean that I have libertarian friends No Libertarians dont believe in boarders, they believe in open boarders unless you are a Minarchist Libertarian. Libertarians only believe in open boarders when government systems do not exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 4,021 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 12 minutes ago, Fay said: Yes I know that thats why im against democracy There is no perfect system though.... unless you have any ideas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 1 minute ago, doppelganger said: There is no perfect system though.... unless you have any ideas I am a Libertarian and there is no voting in a Libertarian system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 4,021 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Fay said: I am a Libertarian and there is no voting in a Libertarian system. Libertarianism isn't a political system. Unless you're referring to intellectual/technocratic autocracy which'll never work. Edit: misspelled technocrat as theocrat ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo cupcakke 4,781 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, Fay said: Just because something wont occur in our lifetime, doesnt mean we should not fight for it to make it reality of our children and future generation if you think its the moral way to live.. thats why people fought against slavery even though they knew freedom wouldnt be their reality but they fought for the future. I never said we should end government, im saying if you support illegal immigrants, then that means your country doesnt have boarders and no government is needed. I mean: 20 minutes ago, Fay said: If you support illegal immigrants, then you should make all immigration legal, open your boarders and end your government. Libertarians dont believe in boarders so maybe you should be a Libertarian. Also, I believe the US should move towards a social democracy, so I would never truly consider becoming a Libertarian or consider getting rid of borders willy-nilly because that would cause chaos for the country in the sense that those who never really had a need to come to America for a better life will take another's dream of a better standard of living and benefit from the misfortune's of those truly suffering. I believe that illegal immigration should not be scrutinized as illegal immigrants will mainly either go back to their homeland, or stay and eventually embark on a path towards citizenship, or at least residentship If I had faith in Man, I could become a Libertarian, but people are horribly flawed and very selfish; there can be no selflessness without some form of selfishness also at play. In the grand scheme of things, it is easier to support and reform a government than to abolish it completely and have faith that everyone is is at a same level of understanding of what the common Good or Goal is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahb 17,188 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Americans right now Do you feel him sir? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Biden 5,898 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, Fay said: I am a Libertarian and there is no voting in a Libertarian system. That's not liberatian. That's anarchist I got drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 4,021 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, CowSiss said: I mean: Also, I believe the US should move towards a social democracy, so I would never truly consider becoming a Libertarian or consider getting rid of borders willy-nilly because that would cause chaos for the country in the sense that those who never really had a need to come to America for a better life will take another's dream of a better standard of living and benefit from the misfortune's of those truly suffering. I believe that illegal immigration should not be scrutinized as illegal immigrants will mainly either go back to their homeland, or stay and eventually embark on a path towards citizenship, or at least residentship If I had faith in Man, I could become a Libertarian, but people are horribly flawed and very selfish; there can be no selflessness without some form of selfishness also at play. In the grand scheme of things, it is easier to support and reform a government than to abolish it completely and have faith that everyone is is at a same level of understanding of what the common Good or Goal is I have faith in man, but not in men in numbers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Heart 15,041 Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Livestream just ended. I expect many more protests to come. ▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 80,166 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 2 hours ago, paul said: I mean.. I sympathise but the protest will ultimately do nothing The same thing could have been said about a lot of other things, though. You never know what's going to happen, hell, I don't think anyone of us thought Donald Trump was actually going to win. 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔯 𝔱𝔬𝔯𝔢 𝔞𝔴𝔞𝔶 𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔪𝔞𝔰𝔨 𝔞𝔫𝔡...𝔦𝔱𝔰 𝔣𝔞𝔠𝔢 𝔴𝔞𝔰 𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo cupcakke 4,781 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, doppelganger said: I have faith in man, but not in men in numbers What can I say? I'm a Machiavellian Ciceronian at heart; better to be feared than loved as long as you are providing for the common Good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GloZell Green 11,723 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 My city pulling through Chicago is great Lady Gaga | Shakira Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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