Beyonce fans think Bey rules the world... are they justified?

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1 minute ago, malazam said:

Something I will never understand.....5-10 sometimes even more people to write a song? and songs that actually don't stand out from the other songs....

 

This 

and usually those songs are filled with the same repeating word/sentence

[Crystalline 993]

9 minutes ago, Beto said:

She's definitely the greatest living performer. Performing defined as singing great + dancing great. The fact the doesn't write her music bothers me 'cause I can't really connect to it when I think that 15 wrote it maybe just to cash in some coins and not for the music itself. The videos are on point, choreo is always on point.

She's loved by the GP and the critics, unquestionable career longevity and everyone gives a sh*t about what she's gonna do next career wise. She probably does rule the music industry and she could be very influential in other scenarios if she ever manifested her opinion on certain subjects.

Spill the tea 

[malazam 15,710]

Just now, Possibly Maybe said:

That's why I don't have a Twitter. Some of them would probably say Lemonade flopped if they didn't get dragged to the grave for it. 

Yep, it goes for every artist, Gaga could sell 10 million in a week and the stupid stans would still call it a flop 

There's this stan KP account who bashes EVERYONE, literally, and it's really stupid and funny to see him ON EVERY, BUT EVERY TWEET ABOUT GAGA AND OTHER ARTISTS.

I hope this trend thing about being an idiot on internet stops.

[Poker 3,713]

4 minutes ago, Bebe said:

The human voice is an instrument, and she is very well trained in that department. I think she has an interesting creative process too, people criticise her for having a bunch of writers but it's clear that she is the creative director mixing and matching melodies, productions, lyrics and themes that she likes. 

I very much like The Guardian's piece on this issue: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/28/beyonce-lemonade-lesson-collaboration-robert-plant-karen-o-kendrick-lamarr-jack-white-mnek

"The myth of the solitary genius means that creative collaging is a sorely underrated skill. Some people still maintain that the worth of a song is in inverse proportion to the number of credited writers.... It’s bogus logic of course. For one thing, self-reliant auteurs such as Prince and Grimes who write, perform and produce every note themselves, have always been anomalies in a sociable art form that requires many different skillsets. For another, it assumes that it takes much less talent to marshall a diverse range of contributors than it does to do it all yourself. In fact it takes exceptional taste, conviction and imagination to choose the right people, get the best out of them, and then weave their ideas into a cohesive whole. We don’t think less of a director because they need hundreds of people to help them make a movie; we admire them for keeping so many plates spinning."


I think Beyonce is an incredible artist with an exceptional amount of talent. She is very well trained and is an absolute perfectionist. I watched a documentary about her preparing for her tour and it was like Beyonce there working throughout the day and night with several workers coming and going because their shifts had started and ended. It was her directing everything, making sure the stage, the lighting, the choreography, the intros, the sound, the band was all perfect.

She works hard, she has incredible talent and she deserves to be regarded as one of the greats imo  

I agree with this. But that's not the case with Beyonce. her lyrics are simple as ****. It's not a genius work to come up with this:

Me and my ladies sip my d'ussé cups
I don't give a **** chucking my deuces up
Suck on my balls pause
I had enough
I ain't thinking 'bout you
I ain't thinking 'bout

Middle fingers up
Put them hands high
Wave it in his face
Tell 'em boy bye
Tell 'em boy bye
Boy bye
Middle fingers up
I ain't thinking 'bout you

Sorry, I ain't sorry
Sorry, I ain't sorry
I ain't sorry
***** nah
Sorry, I ain't sorry
Sorry, I ain't sorry
I ain't sorry
No no hell nah

Now you want to say you're sorry
Now you want to call me crying
Now you gotta see me wildin'
Now I'm the one that's lying
And I don't feel bad about it
It's exactly what you get
Stop interrupting my grinding
(You're interrupting my grinding)

I ain't thinking bout you
I ain't thinking bout you
I ain't thinking bout you
I ain't thinking bout you
I ain't thinking bout you

[Leaf 2,429]

 

[SlayMeToVenus 3,290]

She shouldn't be as successful as she is. She doesn't deserve it. She's not in control of everything. People like Gaga deserve way more success. Gaga works extremely hard. 

[FlopSlurper 34,336]

"greatest living performer"
of course  the only thing she needs to do is learn the choreography and then repeat the same **** for eternity she won't even change a single move  

As I said in another thread, compare angel down to formation and run the world to hey girl and you'll see who the bigger artist is, even though one has more writers on one song than the other's entire album but let's ignore that 

[Bette Davis 12,742]

I'm curious to know, is she very popular abroad or only in the United States?

[Bebe 17,093]

1 minute ago, malazam said:

Something I will never understand.....5-10 sometimes even more people to write a song? and songs that actually don't stand out from the other songs....

 

That's because of the process though, she will take song writers, producers and the lot and cut pieces out and fit them into other places and collage all these ideas into one cohesive song.

Like Jack White explained with his collab:

"She took just sort of a sketch of a lyrical outline and turned into the most bodacious, vicious, incredible song. I don't even know what you'd classify it as—soul, rock and roll, whatever. “Don't Hurt Yourself” is incredibly intense; I’m so amazed at what she did with it"

or Sia:

"she's very Frankenstein when she comes to the songs," taking bits and pieces from various songwriters and asking to hear them mixed together. "

Beyonce acts as a creative director, she oversees everything. She will take a melody, a lyric, a chorus, a verse, an instrumentation, a sample and merge them together. It's just another way of creating, it's actually a very interesting and impressive way to create an album.

[malazam 15,710]

4 minutes ago, Bebe said:

That's because of the process though, she will take song writers, producers and the lot and cut pieces out and fit them into other places and collage all these ideas into one cohesive song.

Like Jack White explained with his collab:

"She took just sort of a sketch of a lyrical outline and turned into the most bodacious, vicious, incredible song. I don't even know what you'd classify it as—soul, rock and roll, whatever. “Don't Hurt Yourself” is incredibly intense; I’m so amazed at what she did with it"

or Sia:

"she's very Frankenstein when she comes to the songs," taking bits and pieces from various songwriters and asking to hear them mixed together. "

Beyonce acts as a creative director, she oversees everything. She will take a melody, a lyric, a chorus, a verse, an instrumentation, a sample and merge them together. It's just another way of creating, it's actually a very interesting and impressive way to create an album.

So it's kinda a team? I thought it was like just writing a song with someone but with other 10 people......and I picture it like something messy.

 

I didn't know that....that's impressive, it sounds like a stressless way of working and funnier too, a pop art songwriting collage

Spoiler

her ARTPOP could mean anything

 

[Bebe 17,093]

5 minutes ago, Poker said:

I agree with this. But that's not the case with Beyonce. her lyrics are simple as ****. It's not a genius work to come up with this:

Lyrics are not the only thing that makes a piece of music good.

I mean... You could take a song like Come Together, regarded as one of the greatest Beatle songs, and post the lyrics and they will hardly seem like high poetry.

"Here come old flattop, he come grooving up slowly
He got joo-joo eyeball, he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knee
Got to be a joker he just do what he please

He wear no shoeshine, he got toe-jam football
He got monkey finger, he shoot Coca-Cola
He say, "I know you, you know me."
One thing I can tell you is you got to be free

Come together right now over me

He bag production, he got walrus gumboot
He got Ono sideboard, he one spinal cracker
He got feet down below his knee
Hold you in his armchair you can feel his disease

Come together right now over me

(Right!
Come, oh, come, come, come.)

He roller-coaster, he got early warning
He got muddy water, he one mojo filter
He say, "One and one, and one is three."
Got to be good-looking 'cause he's so hard to see

Come together right now over me

Oh
Come together
Yeah, come together
Yeah, come together
Yeah, come together
Yeah, come together
Yeah, come together
Yeah, come together
Yeah, oh
Come together
Yeah, come together"

[chiuga 1,970]

she's a well trained vocalist and dancer i can respect that but at the same time I don't think she's a great singer / dancer.

[MonsterPaws 2,726]

30 minutes ago, Bebe said:

The human voice is an instrument, and she is very well trained in that department. I think she has an interesting creative process too, people criticise her for having a bunch of writers but it's clear that she is the creative director mixing and matching melodies, productions, lyrics and themes that she likes. 

I very much like The Guardian's piece on this issue: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/28/beyonce-lemonade-lesson-collaboration-robert-plant-karen-o-kendrick-lamarr-jack-white-mnek

"The myth of the solitary genius means that creative collaging is a sorely underrated skill. Some people still maintain that the worth of a song is in inverse proportion to the number of credited writers.... It’s bogus logic of course. For one thing, self-reliant auteurs such as Prince and Grimes who write, perform and produce every note themselves, have always been anomalies in a sociable art form that requires many different skillsets. For another, it assumes that it takes much less talent to marshall a diverse range of contributors than it does to do it all yourself. In fact it takes exceptional taste, conviction and imagination to choose the right people, get the best out of them, and then weave their ideas into a cohesive whole. We don’t think less of a director because they need hundreds of people to help them make a movie; we admire them for keeping so many plates spinning."


I think Beyonce is an incredible artist with an exceptional amount of talent. She is very well trained and is an absolute perfectionist. I watched a documentary about her preparing for her tour and it was like Beyonce there working throughout the day and night with several workers coming and going because their shifts had started and ended. It was her directing everything, making sure the stage, the lighting, the choreography, the intros, the sound, the band was all perfect.

She works hard, she has incredible talent and she deserves to be regarded as one of the greats imo  

Well said gurl 

[FATCAT 60,042]

Beyonce as an individual doesn't deserve the amount of praise she gets, mostly because her team/writers are the true driving force.

[Delusional Aura 5,129]

She is currently, without a doubt, the hardest working performing artist. And, this is proven in her last two performances; VMAs and the Tidal Event. She is at the peak of her career and honestly I feel as though she's just going to get bigger. After 15 years in the music industry she definitely deserves everything she achieving. Her fans however are extremely horrible. For example one of their large fan accounts on Twitter said that gaga should not be talking about BLM with her song Angel Down to sell her music. She Made Her Name With Hard Work And Dedication And Is Reeping The Benefits. As A PERFORMER She Is Anything But Overrated. As A Musician, She Is However. The GP Doesn't Care That She Don't Write Her Own Songs Or Play An Instrument. When She Performs, She Gives Them A Show To Talk About And For That She's Smart.