Jed 7,716 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 minute ago, AntiPotCrusader said: The problem is that if this album was given to a different artist the scores would undoubtedly be higher. I disagree that's a very vague argument that has no way to be proven thus you can't even use it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, Jed said: Honestly these white gays are always trying to discredit her. What does she have to do with Gaga? It's borderline sexist to even bring her up in this Am I lyin tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticHo 700 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 minute ago, AntiPotCrusader said: The problem is that if this album was given to a different artist the scores would undoubtedly be higher. As a Gaga fan, and please don't come to take my Stan card, I don't identify or enjoy this album. With that said, I support her and I wholeheartedly agree that other artists wouldn't have reviews this low with this exact same album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanWinchester 41,390 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jed said: except some people read through the musical criticisms and get right to the personal ones and then make comments like the one you just did I actually read the negative reviews, thank you very much for your hasty uneducated conclusion--they mention so much about Gaga's past eras and character and give only fleeting descriptions in the actual songs and how they are "unfocused/flop/inauthentic" without actually telling why. They dont even go through how it sounds like using musical terms or by referencing a similar work/artist vibe, they just up and declare it as a bad song. An album is for critiquing, your main focus should be the work itself and not through the lens of the old works or how you harbor hate for the artist Flyin' like a 1000 Doves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed 7,716 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, Runway said: Am I lyin tho There's no way you can prove that so how could ANYONE say you are right or wrong?! You don't see how ridiculous the argument you're making is?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvanas 5,768 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Jed said: it's actually an opinion, not slander. Like C2C was a "move" to show she has vocal chops, ditto with the oscars and the national anthem. The article you're referring to actually said she was wearing a mask of her own face which is them saying they don't find the lyrics as intimate as they were intended to be Cheek to Cheek was album planned in 2011. It wasn't a PR move because ARTPOP sold poorly. And that certainly isn't an opinion. He's pulling it out of his ass. I could say "Lemonade was actually all made up, Jay-Z never cheated on Beyonce, and they just used the scandal to sell albums" and it wouldn't be any more true than someone saying Gaga's shift in musical direction is a ploy to sell albums. Claiming that someone is lying is not an opinion. "Who are we, if not slaves to this torment?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed 7,716 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, A Gaga Lad said: I actually read the negative reviews, thank you very much for your hasty uneducated conclusion--they mention so much about Gaga's past eras and character and give only fleeting descriptions in the actual songs and how they are "unfocused/flop/inauthentic" without actually telling why. They dont even go through how it sounds like using musical terms or by referencing a similar work/artist vibe, they just up and declare it as a bad song. An album is for critiquing, your main focus should be the work itself and not through the lens of the old works or how you harbor hate for the artist My comments were about the mixed reviews not the overwhelmingly biased ones. I could copy and paste so many legitimate comparisons and criticisms that do exactly what you said they didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqJezus 1,027 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, Jed said: If the album doesn't feel genuine they would have to give a reason why, correct? Their reasoning in this instance can only be discussed if you discuss her career... Any time someone does an article or a review you have to put things in context I'm sorry if you disagree. Then show some receipts for us? I don't just read the blurbs posted for these reviews, I read the entire article, and find that what you're talking about is the smallest part of many of the reviews. The musical criticism is a small point, a few little opinions here and there, but then they start or finish off with so many things that have nothing to do with the album. The thing is, you really could quote some sentences and put them here, but I think the responding quotes from some of the same articles would probably outnumbers yours by a lot. I don't mind musical criticism at all, but they could try showing they actually listened to it, rather than maybe listening to a song or two and then trying to fit the artist and the album into the box they like as they always do with Gaga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorothy Gale 7,575 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jed said: I disagree that's a very vague argument that has no way to be proven thus you can't even use it Send me to an alternate reality where Joanne is a Beyoncé album and watch me prove you wrong. I think critical bias is obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeDK 33 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Most critics are extremely biased... and I really do not care about reviews these days... I rarely agree with the critics and I do not need the opinion of some uptight dude to deicide if music is good or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey_This_Way 68 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sylvanas said: My issue is that every review is saying that this album is a dishonest and calculated response to the 'failures' of ARTPOP. It's slander. It's assumption, and it's a blatant lie used to paint Gaga and this album in a negative light. Criticize the music all you want but the moment you call Gaga a character trying on masks, on this album of all things, it's insulting. I think this is the problem I'm having with this era. Is this really her or another mask when in the past she assured us there was no mask. The stripped down thing feels too calculated and abrupt to me. Yes I honestly do like the album and yes she will get my coins with multiple purchases and concert tickets and merch but I'm not really feeling it like in past eras. Its all good though, I'm a huge Madonna fan and I detested every second of the "Hard Candy" era. It happens. I would have never guessed while it was happening but the ARTPOP era is my favorite so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed 7,716 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, Sylvanas said: Cheek to Cheek was album planned in 2011. It wasn't a PR move because ARTPOP sold poorly. And that certainly isn't an opinion. He's pulling it out of his ass. I could say "Lemonade was actually all made up, Jay-Z never cheated on Beyonce, and they just used the scandal to sell albums" and it wouldn't be any more true than someone saying Gaga's shift in musical direction is a ploy to sell albums. Claiming that someone is lying is not an opinion. Even if it was planned in 2011 it still was planned as an album to showcase vocals not eye popping antics. am i wrong? Actually saying you don't think that Gaga's transition comes off as genuine thats the textbook definition of an opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanWinchester 41,390 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Jed said: My comments were about the mixed reviews not the overwhelmingly biased ones. I could copy and paste so many legitimate comparisons and criticisms that do exactly what you said they didn't. And who said I hated the mixed (60s) reviews? I only ever spoke strongly against the 40 and the 50 score it received. Why are you pinning my opinion on the negatively biased ones on the mixed reception that I never really called out? Flyin' like a 1000 Doves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed 7,716 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, BlaqJezus said: Then show some receipts for us? I don't just read the blurbs posted for these reviews, I read the entire article, and find that what you're talking about is the smallest part of many of the reviews. The musical criticism is a small point, a few little opinions here and there, but then they start or finish off with so many things that have nothing to do with the album. The thing is, you really could quote some sentences and put them here, but I think the responding quotes from some of the same articles would probably outnumbers yours by a lot. I don't mind musical criticism at all, but they could try showing they actually listened to it, rather than maybe listening to a song or two and then trying to fit the artist and the album into the box they like as they always do with Gaga. gladly! send me whichever article you guys are complaining about! I've already said that i agree with you guys on several negative ones but so many people are stomping their feet and yelling that the world is unfair because of this and I find that ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagaga1896 89 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Critics are just that - critics. They seldom like anything, and it is pretty much their job to pick things a part [whereas to anybody else it would seem unnecessary] and point out different factors and flaws within them. I will admit that critics can have a much better way when it comes to examining people's work, and they often lack tact and get too caught up in trying to produce an overly-analytical and rigorous review of a work, just to show they have knowledge in various areas in which to critique, instead of actually seeing an art piece for what it simply means to be. Really... critics are a wholly unnecessary group and occupation. Everyone's a critic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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