connorfilm 7,295 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I wouldn't say worry just yet, ARTPOP had three reviews on MC with a score of 40/100 and 12 reviews with a score of 60. Yet it still got a 61. But be prepared. This album could receive the same score or even lower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 This was one of my emails I sent to NYT "Hello, As long-time NYT subscriber, it was very troubling for me to read a recent review that Jon Caramanica did on Lady Gaga's new album Joanne because of its slandarous nature and its inability to actually discuss the MUSIC. For one, this "reviewer" focuses almost exclusively on Lady Gaga as a person rather than on the actual music. Is not the point of a review to talk about the MUSIC and not anything other than that? Because if so, then this reviewer has very clearly failed at his job because he is discussing Gaga's image over her new music in this review. Why is he bringing in a completely irrelevant point about a feud between her and a different artist duo that have nothing to do with the album or Gaga's work? Moreover, this man is effectively legitimizing one artists trashing another artist's work. My point here is that I do not understand why you have allowed someone with a very clear agenda against the artist (Lady Gaga) to review her work. I find his review of this work degrading to Lady Gaga as an artist and offensive to her new album because there is hardly any discussion of it at all. I really want to continue to be a subscriber to NYT, but your inability to select objective reviewers and allowance of a reviewer to completely trash an artist because they do not like them is inexcusable and has me questioning if I want to support an organization that allows this. Is this something you really stand for? The article in question can be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/arts/music/review-lady-gaga-joanne.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fjon-caramanica&action=click&contentCollection=undefined®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection" I sent this to more than one department and also a couple emails that were slightly different to make sure a lot of people there see it, so just awaiting to see how they respond! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malazam 15,710 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Robo Ga said: I am doing this too as we speak tweeting them, guys, log into your Soccer Moms accs another shot before we kiss the other side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,902 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 37 minutes ago, Ray of Light said: The critics used to love her when? The Fame Mons†er is her highest at only 78. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fame IV 4,426 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said: This was one of my emails I sent to NYT "Hello, As long-time NYT subscriber, it was very troubling for me to read a recent review that Jon Caramanica did on Lady Gaga's new album Joanne because of its slandarous nature and its inability to actually discuss the MUSIC. For one, this "reviewer" focuses almost exclusively on Lady Gaga as a person rather than on the actual music. Is not the point of a review to talk about the MUSIC and not anything other than that? Because if so, then this reviewer has very clearly failed at his job because he is discussing Gaga's image over her new music in this review. Why is he bringing in a completely irrelevant point about a feud between her and a different artist duo that have nothing to do with the album or Gaga's work? Moreover, this man is effectively legitimizing one artists trashing another artist's work. My point here is that I do not understand why you have allowed someone with a very clear agenda against the artist (Lady Gaga) to review her work. I find his review of this work degrading to Lady Gaga as an artist and offensive to her new album because there is hardly any discussion of it at all. I really want to continue to be a subscriber to NYT, but your inability to select objective reviewers and allowance of a reviewer to completely trash an artist because they do not like them is inexcusable and has me questioning if I want to support an organization that allows this. Is this something you really stand for? The article in question can be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/arts/music/review-lady-gaga-joanne.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fjon-caramanica&action=click&contentCollection=undefined®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection" I sent this to more than one department and also a couple emails that were slightly different to make sure a lot of people there see it, so just awaiting to see how they respond! Applause! A Star is Born ⭐ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,221 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Gagaloo92 said: This was one of my emails I sent to NYT "Hello, As long-time NYT subscriber, it was very troubling for me to read a recent review that Jon Caramanica did on Lady Gaga's new album Joanne because of its slandarous nature and its inability to actually discuss the MUSIC. For one, this "reviewer" focuses almost exclusively on Lady Gaga as a person rather than on the actual music. Is not the point of a review to talk about the MUSIC and not anything other than that? Because if so, then this reviewer has very clearly failed at his job because he is discussing Gaga's image over her new music in this review. Why is he bringing in a completely irrelevant point about a feud between her and a different artist duo that have nothing to do with the album or Gaga's work? Moreover, this man is effectively legitimizing one artists trashing another artist's work. My point here is that I do not understand why you have allowed someone with a very clear agenda against the artist (Lady Gaga) to review her work. I find his review of this work degrading to Lady Gaga as an artist and offensive to her new album because there is hardly any discussion of it at all. I really want to continue to be a subscriber to NYT, but your inability to select objective reviewers and allowance of a reviewer to completely trash an artist because they do not like them is inexcusable and has me questioning if I want to support an organization that allows this. Is this something you really stand for? The article in question can be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/arts/music/review-lady-gaga-joanne.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fjon-caramanica&action=click&contentCollection=undefined®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection" I sent this to more than one department and also a couple emails that were slightly different to make sure a lot of people there see it, so just awaiting to see how they respond! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo Ga 15,299 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Stef said: The monsters are beginning to attack I live 💀💀 (check replies) Omg people are literally telling him to die and go to hell It's times like this that I appreciate the savagery of the Twitter monsters. I just saw a soccer mom tell him to go suck the Chainsmoker's d**Ks 🤖⚡️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterPaws 2,732 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said: This was one of my emails I sent to NYT "Hello, As long-time NYT subscriber, it was very troubling for me to read a recent review that Jon Caramanica did on Lady Gaga's new album Joanne because of its slandarous nature and its inability to actually discuss the MUSIC. For one, this "reviewer" focuses almost exclusively on Lady Gaga as a person rather than on the actual music. Is not the point of a review to talk about the MUSIC and not anything other than that? Because if so, then this reviewer has very clearly failed at his job because he is discussing Gaga's image over her new music in this review. Why is he bringing in a completely irrelevant point about a feud between her and a different artist duo that have nothing to do with the album or Gaga's work? Moreover, this man is effectively legitimizing one artists trashing another artist's work. My point here is that I do not understand why you have allowed someone with a very clear agenda against the artist (Lady Gaga) to review her work. I find his review of this work degrading to Lady Gaga as an artist and offensive to her new album because there is hardly any discussion of it at all. I really want to continue to be a subscriber to NYT, but your inability to select objective reviewers and allowance of a reviewer to completely trash an artist because they do not like them is inexcusable and has me questioning if I want to support an organization that allows this. Is this something you really stand for? The article in question can be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/arts/music/review-lady-gaga-joanne.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fjon-caramanica&action=click&contentCollection=undefined®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection" I sent this to more than one department and also a couple emails that were slightly different to make sure a lot of people there see it, so just awaiting to see how they respond! Guys, if you can, spread this letter (crediting GagaLoo92 ofc) as much as you can, including sending it to NYTimes. This review is truly outrageous in that it DOES NOT DISCUSS THE ACTUAL ALBUM. We need as much as attention as possible to fix this. It's unjust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo Ga 15,299 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 @Gagaloo92 You are iconic 🤖⚡️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007 5,291 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, Greg said: Remember when music critics used to critique MUSIC? Those were the days... 😔 They care about an artist status more than the material, gaga is commercially flop atm, thats why they're shitting on her, to make it seem like her songs aren't charting because they suck and they're right about giving it a bad review. Joanne is amazing, thats why I want her to promote it, expose its amazingness to the public; I guarantee you it wont just chart but it'll change her image for good. Those critics would eat their own words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, Redstreak said: By what metric is Joanne, an album about a relative she's never met discussed on only like two songs, more personal than Lemonde, an album a high star profile wife dealing with the devastation of her husband cheating on her and learning to forgive him? Beyonce didn't write it. And I loved Lemonade. "The relative she never met"🙄 You make it sound so damn cold. It's not Gaga's fault many of you don't have close connection and relationship with family members. Italians are very warm people. Gaga was always close with her father, she's trying to understand him and the tragedy he's been through (why was he drinking, for example) he gave her middle name after his sister, Joanne died at the age of 19, same age Gaga started her journey to stardom. Joanne died of Lupus, Gaga is borderline positive. They share similarities and she has spiritual connection. The album is clearly very personal. I'm not surprised who liked your comment tho. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James19709 456 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 51 minutes ago, Tears said: well they can suck my cock then LMAOO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets 1,807 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 It seems at this point that Gaga can't win with the critics. Whatever she does they'll always want the opposite, and they'll always be biased. It gets me so fking angry tbh. The only girl I've ever loved was born with roses in her eyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 469 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 "But instead of taking offense and tossing off a tweet, she should maybe give them a call." That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Gaga was just being funny on twitter, why would anyone think she cares what they say. She probably didn't even know who they were, until she saw everyone on her timeline tweeting about it. I wouldn't even take these journalists seriously anymore. After all, Billboard thought my Grandma was Gaga's actual Grandma. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
styleyourvision 606 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 26 minutes ago, styleyourvision said: This is an article the author of the NYT Joanne review wrote in 2010 about Gaga'a impact, including a feminist impact, on pop music: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/arts/music/25feminism.html Just one example from the article that shows how this writer's own past words work against the "arguments" in his Joanne review: "[Lady Gaga's] fingerprints are all over the revised images of Christina Aguilera, Rihanna, Katy Perry and Beyoncé; and on new artists like Kesha, Janelle Monáe and Nicki Minaj. These performers might not cite Lady Gaga as a direct influence, but the work she’s done since her 2008 debut album, “The Fame” (Cherrytree/Kon Live/Streamline/Interscope), has nudged loose conventional boundaries. The space for women in pop to try out new aesthetic identities hasn’t been this vast in some time. This new feminism is more about the opportunity to make choices than about any specific choice itself. And it’s freeing, this expansion of musical liberation into spaces visual as well as sonic, instinctual as well as intellectual, performed as well as lived." I can't take him seriously when just a few years ago he was touting Gaga for making her own choices about her identity and pushing the boundaries of the music industry. Oh, and by his own implied defnition of feminism in this article, his Joanne review is arguably anti-feminist. I'm tellin' y'all - why use the energy thinking up new arguments when you can just use his own words against him! DRAG HIM! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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