Born To Slay 10,996 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/10/presidential-candidates-remain-silent-dakota-access-pipeline-controversy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,921 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Well, she supports fracking so you can't expect her to speak out on this.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Well, she supports fracking so you can't expect her to speak out on this.... She should have a position, whether it's for or against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,921 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: She should have a position, whether it's for or against. She won't do it before the election. She can't risk looking more hypocritical than she already does to many voters. If she comes out against this they will just come out with her support for fracking. It makes her inconsistent. If she comes out for this it will make her look bad with some liberals. This has been a problem with her on many issues for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just now, Morphine Prince said: She won't do it before the election. She can't risk looking more hypocritical than she already does to many voters. If she comes out against this they will just come out with her support for fracking. It makes her inconsistent. If she comes out for this it will make her look bad with some liberals. This has been a problem with her on many issues for some time. Well, I hope she's forced to say something. These protesters should have a few go to her next rally and force her to say something. She can't be allowed to do this, she has to have her feet held to the fire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,923 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 @Morphine Prince pretty much covered it. If it's an election cycle, follow the votes. If it's a position, follow the money. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, FATCAT said: @Morphine Prince pretty much covered it. If it's an election cycle, follow the votes. If it's a position, follow the money. I hope the protesters can force her off this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,921 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, FATCAT said: @Morphine Prince pretty much covered it. If it's an election cycle, follow the votes. If it's a position, follow the money. I mean on her website she talks about clean energy and all that good stuff that will please the environmentalists https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/ But yet many politicians stay silent on issues like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Because the pipeline is a good idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Guys regardless of how much u wanna protect the environment u know its not realistic to try and stop every single big project thats proposed right? Yes working towards a greener future is an important goal but it doesnt happen overknight. Too much of our economy is still connected and dependant on the industry and the resource it provides U cant suddenly say ur gonna block all construction of anything in the foasil fuel industry it would become caos in no time Instead be selective. Some pipelines depending on their route and stuff may cause more danger than others. If one is really bad than it may not be worth it But all will provide some risk to environment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 4 hours ago, MJHolland said: Because the pipeline is a good idea I dont know enough about this particular pipeline to comment but indeed we cant halt all construction of every single project and we need infrastructure One thing that is happening a lot in areas where too many pipelines are backlogged is Oil companies are taking all the space in trains and trucks and regular goods have a hard time competing and their prices go up Here in Canada its a big issue. We cant seem to build any pipelines anymore so our oil industry is saturating all the space in trains in some areas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,858 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Our economy is still connected to the fossil fuel industry because our politicians let it be. Why? Money. The fact that this is even still a problem in 2016 is because of flip floppers like Hillary Clinton. And you're criticizing people for getting mad over this? Cut the moderation bullshit. The environment is a huge issue that should be taken seriously. Economy follows environment, not the other way around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 hour ago, ecastr said: Our economy is still connected to the fossil fuel industry because our politicians let it be. Why? Money. The fact that this is even still a problem in 2016 is because of flip floppers like Hillary Clinton. And you're criticizing people for getting mad over this? Cut the moderation bullshit. The environment is a huge issue that should be taken seriously. Economy follows environment, not the other way around. Fossil fuels are our only viable option buddy you can't power a city with wind efficiently, and I'm pretty sure people aren't gonna want to pay twice as much for their electric bill it's not the governments job to innovate more efficient and clean energy sources. The private sector will do it when it does it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 2 hours ago, ecastr said: Our economy is still connected to the fossil fuel industry because our politicians let it be. Why? Money. The fact that this is even still a problem in 2016 is because of flip floppers like Hillary Clinton. And you're criticizing people for getting mad over this? Cut the moderation bullshit. The environment is a huge issue that should be taken seriously. Economy follows environment, not the other way around. 44 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Fossil fuels are our only viable option buddy you can't power a city with wind efficiently, and I'm pretty sure people aren't gonna want to pay twice as much for their electric bill it's not the governments job to innovate more efficient and clean energy sources. The private sector will do it when it does it I dont think electricity is the biggest issue. Costs have come down a lot for many alternatives and depending on the geography and climate of where u are, some green energy is almost as cheap as fossil But green electricity has virtually no connection to pipelines and oil/fracking. Coal and to some extend Natural Gas are the fossil fuels used for electricity not Oil Transportation is the bigger thing for oil as well many products we use. For the moment that one is harder to replace oil with cause Electric cars are still expensive and less practicle at the moment Theres also no cheap alternative to products we need oil for like Asphalt, plastics, shingles, pesticides, fertilizers etc Some of these products have alternatives but they cost way more People complain the middle class is dying but then they want the Government to do things that would just blow up the cost of everything and strain the hell out of the economy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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