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19 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Im not gonna provide evidence for obvious things you can easily find, I rather discuss this with someone who already knows the facts so ill wait for Kayla to reply even though she completely disagree with me.

lol ok. 

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19 hours ago, Joanne Angelina said:

It is sad and dangerous when someone starts believing in science instead of understanding. Science is not faith, it is fact. One does not "believe" in science, one studies, questions and understands. One does not " believe" in gravity. One does not "believe" in global warming. If one starts "believing" in science, then science becomes same as superstition for that person.

That made no sense at all! so you are saying we should not use science in our life? yes you should question things thats how you come up with new scientific things and discover new things but until then, you should live your life based on what science says.

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On 10/3/2016 at 4:49 AM, faysalaaa1 said:

When another human is involved, its not a womens right issue anymore, its the child's right too. According to science, the child is alive so dont even try to make that argument. The argument most people who are pro choice say is even if its alive, its the womans choice!!

You speak nonsense. Every time you post.

It's so funny to me that Pro-life supporters DO NOT support welfare and universal health care. They care about the baby when it's not their problem then when it is, they viciously blame them for being alive.

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1 hour ago, AlexanderLevi2 said:

You speak nonsense. Every time you post.

It's so funny to me that Pro-life supporters DO NOT support welfare and universal health care. They care about the baby when it's not their problem then when it is, they viciously blame them for being alive.

If by pro lifers not supporting welfare you mean that im a republican or conservative, you are wrong.. im a Libertarian that leans more to the left. As for not supporting welfare, yes I do not support welfare but this does not mean I do not support the poor or whatever you claim im against. I do not support welfare because I believe it makes things worse and I believe in better solutions for poor people. Weather you want to discuss those solutions or not or agree with them is another subject but simply saying I dont care about a human life is inaccurate.

[Emigrante 9,995]

10 hours ago, SomethingMore said:

You can clearly see all the human features:

What. That means nothing. Can you see its brain being developed for instance?

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11 hours ago, Emigrante said:

What. That means nothing. Can you see its brain being developed for instance?

wtf. Your brain is developing during your whole life. Of course it's just starting to develop at that stage. You can clearly see hands, legs, head, eyes....it's a human. 

I can understand a different point of view on many controversial topics, but this one, no freakin' way! Especially since a lot of scientists have proven that it's not just cells at this stage. 

I bet you have a brother or a sister. Now imagine if ur mom decided to do an abortus when she was pregnant. Just for a second think about not having your brother/sister in ur life. 

Why would you or anyone else in the world be pro-abortus? It's just crazy....

As I've said before I only support abortus if a woman was raped or if her life depends on it. Anything else is a CRIME.

 

[Emigrante 9,995]

Just now, SomethingMore said:

wtf. Your brain is developing during your whole life. Of course it's just starting to develop at that stage. You can clearly see hands, legs, head, eyes....it's a human. 

I can understand a different point of view on many controversial topics, but this one, no freakin' way! Especially since a lot of scientists have proven that it's not just cells at this stage. 

I bet you have a brother or a sister. Now imagine if ur mom decided to do an abortus when she was pregnant. Just for a second think about not having your brother/sister in ur life. 

Why would you or anyone else in the world be pro-abortus? It's just crazy....

As I've said before I only support abortus if a woman was raped or if her life depends on it. Anything else is a CRIME.

 

scientists  It's obvious that when you're connected to somebody for several years (aka brother or sister) you wouldn't want them gone, but that is no argument for me. If you wouldn't know them, you wouldn't be that emotionally involved. I'm not supporting abortion as a substitute for anticonception (contraception?) but the truth is that I don't think it woud be treated that way. It is a hard choice for a women, but I'm all for them to have THAT choice.

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Polish Deputy Prime Minister Jaroslaw Gowin has said proposals put before parliament for a near-total ban on abortion will not be implemented!!!

 

 

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37564852

[Kayla 7,595]

On 10/3/2016 at 6:27 PM, faysalaaa1 said:

I do not have a negative view on people who have different sexual lives but I have a negative view on people who live that life yet dont want to suffer its consequences! sex will get you pregnant and give you diseases so thats why this free sex with no consequences has always been a bad idea until government started funding these people telling them you can do whatever you want and you wont suffer any consequences.

You basically just admitted that one reason you have for wanting people to have to keep pregnancies they didn't want is so they "suffer its consequences." 

Why do you want people to suffer? That's ****ed up. 

Also, your idea of programs the government funded for sexual education is entirely wrong. They're not telling people you can "do whatever you want" and not suffer any consequences. Not. at. all. Proper sexual education- you know, the kind that ACTUALLY prevents pregnancies, STD transmission, etc. (unlike your sex-shaming and suffering-promoting methods) include information about HOW to stay protected, the dangers involved, and what the consequences are. 

Lastly, sex CAN get you pregnant and it CAN give you diseases. You say it "will" as if it's a guarantee. 

And frankly, you can get diseases just being around people in general. 
I've gotten pinkeye, chicken pox, strep throat, and lice in my lifetime- all from being around people. Oh no! Being around people must be BAD because they got me sick and gave me parasites! 
STDs can be very serious, but honestly the chances of getting one are slim if you use proper protection and many of the ones out there can be easily cured and are on the same level as common illnesses we pass to each other just by shaking hands. 

We absolutely should take the consequences of sex seriously, but wanting people to suffer for them or making the consequences out to be bigger than they actually are just shows a fear of sex that is entirely too pervasive in our culture. 

[Kayla 7,595]

On 10/5/2016 at 9:49 AM, SomethingMore said:

I bet you have a brother or a sister. Now imagine if ur mom decided to do an abortus when she was pregnant. Just for a second think about not having your brother/sister in ur life. 

I never would have met them so I wouldn't be affected. It's not like this magical hypothetical situation where I could go back in time with the knowledge I have now of my sibling could ever even exist, so it's moot. Neither I nor my brother would even know the difference. 

You could also say, going on your hypothetical train, "imagine if your mom never decided to try to get pregnant." My mom tried for YEARS to get pregnant with my little brother. She could have stopped trying the first year and I'd be without a little brother all the same as if she'd gotten an abortion, so for me what honestly would be the difference?  
Both situations feature a woman giving up on having a child, both would result in my not having a sibling. 

Lastly, my love of my sibling does not overpower my mother's right to decide whether or not another being has the right to grow inside of her body and take up her time, emotions, resources, and strength for the rest of her life. 

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2 hours ago, Kayla said:

I never would have met them so I wouldn't be affected. It's not like this magical hypothetical situation where I could go back in time with the knowledge I have now of my sibling could ever even exist, so it's moot. Neither I nor my brother would even know the difference. 

You could also say, going on your hypothetical train, "imagine if your mom never decided to try to get pregnant." My mom tried for YEARS to get pregnant with my little brother. She could have stopped trying the first year and I'd be without a little brother all the same as if she'd gotten an abortion, so for me what honestly would be the difference?  
Both situations feature a woman giving up on having a child, both would result in my not having a sibling. 

Lastly, my love of my sibling does not overpower my mother's right to decide whether or not another being has the right to grow inside of her body and take up her time, emotions, resources, and strength for the rest of her life. 

Yes, it's a woman's body but she is just some kind of a carrier. Unsafe sex is a serious topic and you have to be very responsible and thoughtful while doing it. That's the problem of our society. Everyone thinks sex is just a way to get some pleasure and something that can be done anytime like shopping for clothes or going on a pedicure. In some cases, a  woman and her partner realise they forgot to use protection or that there was a hole in the condom or something like that, in that case she can drink a special pill that could prevent the egg's further development, and I think that shouldn't be considered an abortus (if it's done right away, or a day or 2 after).  So as you can see there are many ways to prevent a pregnancy, even without condoms or similiar protections. So my point is, it's extremely irresponsible for woman (and her partner) to have unsafe sex, then get surprised 2 months later that she is pregnant. She knew she had unsafe sex while she was having it, and she could've have peeded on a stick to check if she's pregnant the morning after. I understand the protections sometimes don't work but she could have still checked regardless. 

In conclusion, yes it's a woman's body but her right to make decisions regarding her body STOPS where the baby's right to be born starts (I know most of this isn't gramatically correct, but hopefully  you got my point).

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6 hours ago, Kayla said:

You basically just admitted that one reason you have for wanting people to have to keep pregnancies they didn't want is so they "suffer its consequences." 

Why do you want people to suffer? That's ****ed up. 

Also, your idea of programs the government funded for sexual education is entirely wrong. They're not telling people you can "do whatever you want" and not suffer any consequences. Not. at. all. Proper sexual education- you know, the kind that ACTUALLY prevents pregnancies, STD transmission, etc. (unlike your sex-shaming and suffering-promoting methods) include information about HOW to stay protected, the dangers involved, and what the consequences are. 

Lastly, sex CAN get you pregnant and it CAN give you diseases. You say it "will" as if it's a guarantee. 

And frankly, you can get diseases just being around people in general. 
I've gotten pinkeye, chicken pox, strep throat, and lice in my lifetime- all from being around people. Oh no! Being around people must be BAD because they got me sick and gave me parasites! 
STDs can be very serious, but honestly the chances of getting one are slim if you use proper protection and many of the ones out there can be easily cured and are on the same level as common illnesses we pass to each other just by shaking hands. 

We absolutely should take the consequences of sex seriously, but wanting people to suffer for them or making the consequences out to be bigger than they actually are just shows a fear of sex that is entirely too pervasive in our culture. 

I do not want people to keep their pregnancy just so they can suffer its consequences, I want them to know they will suffer its consequences before they do it so they dont do it and society will fix itself.

When government takes away these consequences from nature, things start to get messed up. Naturally without government, people are forced to be good people who help others so they can benefit from people and people will help them back or else nobody will help them but when government gets involved and gives you money and benefits for no reason, you wont care about being nice to your neighbors because government took their place. I want him to suffer or atleast know he can suffer the consequences of being a bad person so nature can fix itself again. This is also where im coming from when it comes to sex and pregnancy as I believe that naturally sex is not how it is today because of how government takes these natural consequences away by taking the place of the husband and the father specially in the black community which is why 72% of black children live without a father or even know who their fathers are and and women have children from multiple partners because they dont have to chose the right man as that role is already taken by the government.

I dont like how you say im sex shaming and the other things you said when I simply have a different opinion! I do not make fun of you and call you a slut or whatever for having your own beliefs so dont do that with me. I never told a woman how she should live her sexual life or judged her even in my mind, I just believe in certain things and I understand that other people have different lifestyles but I like sharing our opinions without demonizing the other person. If you want to have a respectful discussion, no need to attack the other person personally.