Sanders warns about voting for Johnson

[Bebe 17,289]

25 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Well im a Libertarian so I completely do not agree with his policies but thats not why im against him, im against him as a person who will be America's president.. When BLM attacked him and called him and his followers white racist, he got so scared and gave them money and then he sold out and betrayed his followers just because hes too scared that mean Trump will win! As much as I hate Hilary and Trump, I prefer them more than Sanders. If you ask who I would love as president I would say Ron Paul who was in Sanders position many years ago and continues his revolution that is still big today and making changes.

Sanders tried to be a good ally to BLM, I don't think that's a bad thing, he also didn't sell out when Hillary won - he negotiated a very progressive platform for the Democratic Party and has continued to support down the ticket progressives.

[Bebe 17,289]

1 minute ago, PaperIz said:

I know a lot of people, including me won't vote for Hillary or Trump because they're both awful. I know I honestly couldn't sleep at night knowing I voted for someone I didn't believe and truthfully downright hated. Just my 2 cents.

Okay, just know that there are consequences to your actions. I hope you can sleep at night if Trump gets elected, knowing that you could have helped prevent that presidency, that you could have voted against him but chose not to.

Hard choices need to be made. If you are a progressive you know that if Trump is elected and gets to choose Supreme Court justices any progress that has been made over the past 8 years gets halted and stomped down. As a progressive you can work with a Clinton presidency and make small progress, Trump brings you back 10+ years and makes your battle 10X harder.

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16 minutes ago, PaperIz said:

What is wrong with you? This is insanely hateful especially to literally the best candidate who was in the race. Hillary is a liar and Trump is a maniac.

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Anyways I'm voting for Jill Stein. Sorry Bernie. His support of Hillary just makes me like all of them less  

Insanely hateful?! What? and you saying hes the best candidate is a subjective opinion. I never said I liked Hilary or Trump, im saying even as much as I hate Hilary and Trump, I would still vote for one of them than Sanders.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

1 hour ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Well im a Libertarian so I completely do not agree with his policies but thats not why im against him, im against him as a person who will be America's president.. When BLM attacked him and called him and his followers white racist, he got so scared and gave them money and then he sold out and betrayed his followers just because hes too scared that mean Trump will win! As much as I hate Hilary and Trump, I prefer them more than Sanders. If you ask who I would love as president I would say Ron Paul who was in Sanders position many years ago and continues his revolution that is still big today and making changes.

That rally ur referring wasn't his event, he. It was the event organizers decision, not his. Even if it was, he struggled enough with the black vote, he didn't need more bullshit.

He didn't sell out, he made a political calculation that a Hillary presidency would be better for his policy goals then a Trump one. He's about policy, not personality. 

Ive heard nice things about Ron Paul, he seems like a nice guy. I disagree with too many of his policies to support him tho.

[PaperIz 7,354]

41 minutes ago, Bebe said:

Okay, just know that there are consequences to your actions. I hope you can sleep at night if Trump gets elected, knowing that you could have helped prevent that presidency, that you could have voted against him but chose not to.

Hard choices need to be made. If you are a progressive you know that if Trump is elected and gets to choose Supreme Court justices any progress that has been made over the past 8 years gets halted and stomped down. As a progressive you can work with a Clinton presidency and make small progress, Trump brings you back 10+ years and makes your battle 10X harder.

I still can't vote for someone I don't believe it. You can't guilt me into saying it'll essentially be my fault if Trump gets elected. If more people utilized their votes and voted in people they believed in, we wouldn't be in this mess. But comments like that bully people into buying into the broken down 2 party system.

[Bebe 17,289]

9 minutes ago, PaperIz said:

I still can't vote for someone I don't believe it. You can't guilt me into saying it'll essentially be my fault if Trump gets elected. If more people utilized their votes and voted in people they believed in, we wouldn't be in this mess. But comments like that bully people into buying into the broken down 2 party system.

There was an option for a progressive candidate with Bernie, he lost. There was an option to rally behind Jill Stein, but look at the polls, it isn't happening. 

I'm using your logic. You say you can't sleep voting for either candidate, but can you sleep knowing you didn't work to prevent a Trump presidency?

Your argument may have had some merit months ago, but it's beyond that point now. It's beyond the point of "If we just rally behind a third party candidate things will be perfect!". That's a great attitude to have when polling is being done, it's a great attitude to have during Primaries or shortly after. It's great to encourage as much support as possible for third party candidates, but at this point you only need to look at the polls to see the reality of the situation.

You can talk in hypotheticals all you want at this point, but there is a pretty clear reality. At this point, your vote towards Jill Stein helps nobody. It certainly doesn't help progressives, it just makes it easier for Trump to get in and that means progressives lose any progress made.

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14 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

That rally ur referring wasn't his event, he. It was the event organizers decision, not his. Even if it was, he struggled enough with the black vote, he didn't need more bullshit.

He didn't sell out, he made a political calculation that a Hillary presidency would be better for his policy goals then a Trump one. He's about policy, not personality. 

Ive heard nice things about Ron Paul, he seems like a nice guy. I disagree with too many of his policies to support him tho.

No he decided to leave to let them talk.. just because you struggle with the black vote, doesnt mean you should allow them to threaten you and accuse you and your people of being racist white while kicking you out of your event. He did not just leave them and went away, he payed them money and supported them!

Sanders was about making a revolution and he did it until he sold it, if he did what Ron Paul did, he would have done amazing things specially for the long term. He is the one who exposed Hilary and if he did not expose her, people wouldnt hate as much now then after he made Hilary's own people hate her, he tells them to vote for her.

As much as I hate Hilary, she is still a strong leader who knows how to handle a country.

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Well, I never considered Johnson anyway, but thanks for the warning, Bernie!

[Born To Slay 10,996]

6 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said:

No he decided to leave to let them talk.. just because you struggle with the black vote, doesnt mean you should allow them to threaten you and accuse you and your people of being racist white while kicking you out of your event. He did not just leave them and went away, he payed them money and supported them!

Sanders was about making a revolution and he did it until he sold it, if he did what Ron Paul did, he would have done amazing things specially for the long term. He is the one who exposed Hilary and if he did not expose her, people wouldnt hate as much now then after he made Hilary's own people hate her, he tells them to vote for her.

As much as I hate Hilary, she is still a strong leader who knows how to handle a country.

1. Can I have recipes for some of the claims in the first paragraph? 

2. His revolution is still happening, he's used his new influence to get many progressives down the ballot elected but he needs to support Hillary. He understands what happen to his cause if Trump were the one picking Supreme Court justices. What he did in the primary has set her up to be held accountable if she breaks her promises to his supporters. If that happens, she'll get primaried in 2020 for sure. There was talk of it happening to Obama in 2012, it'll happen in 2020 if Clinton doesn't follow they what she said. Bernie is doing a gr8 job.