Lady Gaga's Sexist Subtext

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This is still going.............

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6 hours ago, A Gaga Lad said:

Oh my. Yes, I'm sorry. I had no idea. I had no privy to her daily interactions which are comprised of regular and frequent use of the phrases "manly tears" and "grow some balls". If I had access to those interactions just like you I would have known better. Gaga is so fake with her Born This Way preaching. I hate her now.

Good 

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Maybe all the conservatives complaining about how sensitive our generation is have a point 

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But seriously, this wasn't a troll thread??

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2 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Not sure what you mean here... The people who study human culture, gender, society, "nature vs nurture", human history, are the "science" that informs my statement. Gender as we often think of it is a social construct that is distinct from Biological Sex. There is also gender identity. None of those categories are binaries, hell, they aren't even linear spectrums because of the vast amount of nuance capable in both (especially Gender). Bringing up the fact that human beings as a species have always recognized subtly the malleable state of gender (as well as the existence of more genders than male/female) was just me providing I think pretty compelling evidence that this isnt some "new Tumblr SJW PC" fad or whatever  

Also, again, gender is a social construct. Things like being a provider, wanting to do construction, liking blue, cars, tools, and being "masculine" are not innate traits that are directly 1-1 linked to being born with XY chromosomes (especially since biological sex is also a spectrum! People can have a combination of chromosonal expressions that do not match what their gender "should" be according to society. This is usually called "Intersex" and it can't be ignored. On top of that, there are lots of factors that can alter traits in "men" and "women" regardless of their chromosomes  

My point in saying this is that Trans people do not merely transition so that they can "properly" express these gendered traits. Some people assigned female at birth transition to "male" and do NOT express themselves as masculine. Likewise in reverse. It is definitely about feeling comfortable in ones own skin and possibly (but its not required) wanting others to see you how you see yourself. It is not about changing "genders" in the sense that our definition of gender is not an absolute concept. Trans women do not have "man" as a gender then have "woman" as a gender after transitioning, they were always "women". This confusion is again because most people incorrectly conflate gender (and gender identity) and sex as being the same thing. They aren't.

Also, I know you aren't white  

First I just wanna say I know that we never agree but thanx for being respectful of my opinion without attacking and accusing me and always being up for the discussion.. I respect your opinion too

No matter what you say I can never believe it as all science does not agree with what you are saying. If gender is a social construct then why is a male that was raised and socially constructed as a male turn into a female? I think the reason is biological as they have a male body but a female brain for example.

None Binary is a term born out of academia like gender studies courses but it has no basis in science. When someone tells you they are gender binary, they are telling you less about their gender identity and more about their ideology. Being transgender is an actually medical diagnosis, it mean you have been diagnosed by gender dysphoria which is an extreme discontent with onces own gender. when you observe the brain structures of male to female transexuals, what you see is that alot of areas of the brain are actually similar to that of biological women. So you can kind of see how someone whos born with these brain structures can end up going through life and developing dysphoria like something is wrong with them when in reality its just that their brain and other factors are female while their body is male.

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11 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Science discusses everything.. for it to be proven, you will have to use science. None Binary is a term born out of academia like gender studies courses but it has no basis in science. When someone tells you they are gender binary, they are telling you less about their gender identity and more about their ideology. Being transgender is an actually medical diagnosis, it mean you have been diagnosed by gender dysphoria which is an extreme discontent with onces own gender. Here is an example to how science can play a part.. when you observe the brain structures of male to female transexuals, what you see is that alot of areas of the brain are actually similar to that of biological women. So you can kind of see how someone whos born with these brain structures can end up going through life and developing dysphoria like something is wrong with them when in reality its just that their brain and other factors are female while their body is male. We need to tell these people the truth and what science says instead of giving them a subjective ideology just to benefit feminists or whatever and hurting them more as transgenders have one of the highest suicide rates.

You're completely disregarding any trans person who doesn't feel the need to transition. Transgender is not a medical diagnosis, dysphoria is and that only describes the symptoms one may experience by having societies gender structures enforced on you that don't fit what you actually associate with.  Not every trans person experiences dysphoria. Calling transgender a medical condition suggests it's a problem to be 'cured'. You only need to look back at how we used to treat aspects of women's personalities as medical conditions and homosexuality as a medical condition to see how dangerous that can be. There's also lots of scientific evidence that refutes the gender binary so yes non binary is a term that has a basis in science. 

 

Also so please do t call people transsexual. Also there's no such thing as male and female as genders, they are sexes. Why do you think we use the same terms for animals? 

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7 minutes ago, SilkSpectre0 said:

You're completely disregarding any trans person who doesn't feel the need to transition. Transgender is not a medical diagnosis, dysphoria is and that only describes the symptoms one may experience by having societies gender structures enforced on you that don't fit what you actually associate with.  Not every trans person experiences dysphoria. Calling transgender a medical condition suggests it's a problem to be 'cured'. You only need to look back at how we used to treat aspects of women's personalities as medical conditions and homosexuality as a medical condition to see how dangerous that can be. There's also lots of scientific evidence that refutes the gender binary so yes non binary is a term that has a basis in science. 

Also so please do t call people transsexual. Also there's no such thing as male and female as genders, they are sexes. Why do you think we use the same terms for animals? 

How em I disregarding any trans person who doesnt want to transition? Im a male and I feel and relate more women but im happy with being a man and dont want to transition so im not sure what you are saying. I also respect and support people who want to transition.

I do not think being transgender is a problem that needs to be cured, I dont even think its a problem but it is a abnormal thing that happens to an extremely small number of people and I believe that its nature using these people to test things and its a beautiful and unique thing. Im just interested in telling these people the truth instead of lying to them because the truth is not an ugly this, its a beautiful thing and when they know the truth, they can understand themselves more and research about it.

I dont know whats bad about using transsexual but if you explain why its wrong, ill stop using it.

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17 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

How em I disregarding any trans person who doesnt want to transition? Im a male and I feel and relate more women but im happy with being a man and dont want to transition so im not sure what you are saying. I also respect and support people who want to transition.

I do not think being transgender is a problem that needs to be cured, I dont even think its a problem but it is a abnormal thing that happens to an extremely small number of people and I believe that its nature using these people to test things and its a beautiful and unique thing. Im just interested in telling these people the truth instead of lying to them because the truth is not an ugly this, its a beautiful thing and when they know the truth, they can understand themselves more and research about it.

I dont know whats bad about using transsexual but if you explain why its wrong, ill stop using it.

1. People don't have to transition to be trans. Transgender is an umbrella term that encompasses several gender identities.

2. Are you trans? If not why are you talking about why you wouldn't 'transition'?

3. Being trans isn't abnormal and calling trans a 'test of nature' is a disgusting comment. There are approx 25 million that are transgender world wide ( that we know about) that is not a small number and even if it was who are you to disregard them? Is there a quota needed for you to respect people ? 

4. You sound like you've been raised in a society that enforces the gender binary but please don't assume the entire world is like that. To think that non binary genders and transgender are a new abnormal thing shows you're ignorant of many world cultures that have always been open to gender being fluid.  

5. Transsexual is a word that used to be used when people would only acknowledge someone as trans if they surgically altered their body to transition. It's none of your business what genitals someone has under their clothes and see point number 1 to see that transitioning isn't necessary to be trans. Transgender is an umbrella term. Just a tip though: you are on a computer you could google yourself why the term transsexual is rarely used anymore and that you should only use it to describe a trans person if that's the word THEY choose.  To demand someone educate you on why it's wrong before you stop using it is a bit rude....

 

Hell I love how people are proving the OPs point that they consider anything other than cis heteronormative behaviour is 'abnormal'

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44 minutes ago, SilkSpectre0 said:

1. People don't have to transition to be trans. Transgender is an umbrella term that encompasses several gender identities.

2. Are you trans? If not why are you talking about why you wouldn't 'transition'?

3. Being trans isn't abnormal and calling trans a 'test of nature' is a disgusting comment. There are approx 25 million that are transgender world wide ( that we know about) that is not a small number and even if it was who are you to disregard them? Is there a quota needed for you to respect people ? 

4. You sound like you've been raised in a society that enforces the gender binary but please don't assume the entire world is like that. To think that non binary genders and transgender are a new abnormal thing shows you're ignorant of many world cultures that have always been open to gender being fluid.  

5. Transsexual is a word that used to be used when people would only acknowledge someone as trans if they surgically altered their body to transition. It's none of your business what genitals someone has under their clothes and see point number 1 to see that transitioning isn't necessary to be trans. Transgender is an umbrella term. Just a tip though: you are on a computer you could google yourself why the term transsexual is rarely used anymore and that you should only use it to describe a trans person if that's the word THEY choose.  To demand someone educate you on why it's wrong before you stop using it is a bit rude....

 

Hell I love how people are proving the OPs point that they consider anything other than cis heteronormative behaviour is 'abnormal'

1. I never said you have to transition to be a transgender!

2. I dont like to label myself as a trans specially when your definition of trans is "Transgender is an umbrella term that encompasses several gender identities" as I dont believe there is more than two genders. I believe my body is male but my mind in female which is basically what science tells us.. if you consider that transgender then yes im that and if not, then im not I dont care.

3. Being trans is abnormal and the definition of that word simply means it only happens to an extremely small minority which is less than 0% of the world.. so saying something is abnormal does not equal something bad or not accepted! Also saying nature is testing itself is not offensive as nature tests itself on all of us thats why evolution exists.

4. Dont try to use my nationality and country to shut me up and try to insult me in a passive aggressive way specially when you dont even know me! ive literally traveled the world ever since I was born, lived and studied in many countries, have families from different cultures and religion, my grandmother is a writer and a journalist with many books, I speak more than two languages and now I live in the united states.. so maybe you should attempt to do the same thing and then come call me ignorant about other cultures. The entire world enforces gender binary including all western countries and America as people base things out of science so its not just my country. I also never said transgenders and none binary genders is a new abnormal thing so it seems like you are not understanding anything im saying! 

5. Im telling you to educate me and that im open to what you will say is rude? yeah thats the first sign you should know theres something wrong with your brain! I asked you to inform me because most of the results in google will be by none feminists and scientific based and I know feminists have their own world of reason so I asked you. It seems like its not a problem to use that word judging from what you explained so ill continue using that word.

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2 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said:

1. I never said you have to transition to be a transgender!

2. I dont like to label myself as a trans specially when your definition of trans is "Transgender is an umbrella term that encompasses several gender identities" as I dont believe there is more than two genders. I believe my body is male but my mind in female which is basically what science tells us.. if you consider that transgender then yes im that and if not, then im not I dont care.

3. Being trans is abnormal and the definition of that word simply means it only happens to an extremely small minority which is less than 0% of the world.. so saying something is abnormal does not equal something bad or not accepted! Also saying nature is testing itself is not offensive as nature tests itself on all of us thats why evolution exists.

4. Dont try to use my nationality and country to shut me up and try to insult me in a passive aggressive way specially when you dont even know me! ive literally traveled the world ever since I was born, lived and studied in many countries, have families from different cultures and religion, my grandmother is a writer and a journalist with many books, I speak more than two languages and now I live in the united states.. so maybe you should attempt to do the same thing and then come call me ignorant about other cultures. The entire world enforces gender binary including all western countries and America as people base things out of science so its not just my country. I also never said transgenders and none binary genders is a new abnormal thing so it seems like you are not understanding anything im saying! 

5. Im telling you to educate me and that im open to what you will say is rude? yeah thats the first sign you should know theres something wrong with your brain! I asked you to inform me because most of the results in google will be by none feminists and scientific based and I know feminists have their own world of reason so I asked you. It seems like its not a problem to use that word judging from what you explained so ill continue using that word.

3. Abnormal means "Deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying." (Oxford English Dictionary). I understand you are emphasizing on the "deviating from normal or usual" part. However, since being trans is neither undesirable nor worrying, using the word abnormal to describe it is perhaps not the best practice.

4. Several countries all over the world do legally recognize people who do not conform to binary gender, i.e. do not identify themselves as either male or female. Some of these countries I can name off the top of my head: Germany, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Nepal and India. I'm sure there are other countries too that recognize non-binary gender. No idea about the US though.

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16 minutes ago, Joanne Angelina said:

3. Abnormal means "Deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying." (Oxford English Dictionary). I understand you are emphasizing on the "deviating from normal or usual" part. However, since being trans is neither undesirable nor worrying, using the word abnormal to describe it is perhaps not the best practice.

4. Several countries all over the world do legally recognize people who do not conform to binary gender, i.e. do not identify themselves as either male or female. Some of these countries I can name off the top of my head: Germany, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Nepal and India. I'm sure there are other countries too that recognize non-binary gender. No idea about the US though.

3. No they are not worrying or undesirable and I think people know what abnormal is regardless of its dictionary meaning.. male sea horses are the ones who get pregnant and thats abnormal but its not worrying or undesirable, it actually is amazing.

4. Yes they do have rights but they are not considered as something real by people in these countries or government and science. Also, in Saudi Arabia transsexuals do have rights and government allow them to change their gender.

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12 hours ago, deeman said:

It is nice to be honest and pretending like women are going to be attracted to weakness in a man is not nice. women simply don't like weakness they will be off with some bad boy who is acting all confident but the sensitive type of man gets harmed by thinking women stand for weakness. they really don't find it at all attractive so then if your a feminist lieing about this you can be harming particularly the more sensitive types of man. it is because the bad boy doesn't care so they appear confident if you care then the confidence which women find attractive has to be from strength or something like this.

 

I'm gonna go cry a corner now 

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6 hours ago, UnlikelyStan said:

Maybe all the conservatives complaining about how sensitive our generation is have a point 

The right wing does not need to be told they're right, I hope they don't see this.

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2 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

3. No they are not worrying or undesirable and I think people know what abnormal is regardless of its dictionary meaning.. male sea horses are the ones who get pregnant and thats abnormal but its not worrying or undesirable, it actually is amazing.

4. Yes they do have rights but they are not considered as something real by people in these countries or government and science.

I don't understand what is abnormal about male sea horses carrying the offspring. That's how reproduction happens in that species.

They are not  considered as real by some, or in some countries majority  of people, yes. That's why spreading awareness is necessary. If they were not considered "real" by the Govt., they would not be legally recognized. Scientifically non-binary gender is recognized.

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Wow, glad I missed THIS messy thread. Imagine being messy enough to let two words questions all the action she has done for women's rights and the LGBT Community.  So glad I can't relate.