Born To Slay 10,996 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 17 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said: #everycommentcounts thank you for contributing and maintaining awareness and relevance on such an important thread to me. You're welcome, I really like this thread and feel so happy every time I see it gaining Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speechless94 545 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 lmao why is this still a thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Wave 7,635 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, Gagaiagr8 said: I'm gonna stop now but thanks for showing everyone what feminism really means. Hopefully now people realise, you can stand for equality, but not identify as a feminist, not be overly offended by things which don't actually effect you, and not confactulate the actual myyogny that some in the world fall victim to with remarks like 'man cry,' 'get some balls' and 'mankind.' Exactly this. Thank you for saying that better than how I could. You really got to the point of the discussion imo. Well done and well said! Colourful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracious Gaga 17,163 Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, Infinity Wave said: I think that you forgot that you started this thread to discuss an expression like "manly crying". I actually do not have mo more words because if you really believe that this kind of expression is sexist and you feel offended for that, well... have a happy life even if it won't be that happy because everyone will use expressions like that, and you will feel continuously offended. The world is not gonna change because some feminists say that they feel offended by some kind of stupid expressions that another feminist woman said. I wish you the best anyway. Goodbye. I have no shame in feeling the way I feel. You're coming off as very anti supportive of my hopes for a better future in society. I'm not doing anything wrong or harmful, no intentions of hurting anyone or to deflate anyone's dreams. It actually feels like you are making fun of me and trying to belittle me here. You are the exact representation of everything lady gaga probably wouldn't have wanted her fans to treat others during the BTW era. So that being said, I wish you the best as well. Hopefully one day we can live in peace. ♥ Kindness Police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epione 10,896 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 People are actually dying and we fight over a phrase that her father cried. We need Goddess of Love to show us the light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Wave 7,635 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said: I have no shame in feeling the way I feel. You're coming off as very anti supportive of my hopes for a better future in society. I'm not doing anything wrong or harmful, no intentions of hurting anyone or to deflate anyone's dreams. It actually feels like you are making fun of me and trying to belittle me here. You are the exact representation of everything lady gaga probably wouldn't have wanted her fans to treat others during the BTW era. So that being said, I wish you the best as well. Hopefully one day we can live in peace. Excuse me if I made you feel that way, it was not my intention I didn't want to make fun of you, neither to insult you, I respect your feelings and opinions, we just have very differnt opinions! I don't think I'm not someone Gaga don't want as a fan, I believe in equality and would love the world to live in peace, with no one insulting no one else but respecting him/her. I just don't think that's the way of reaching that worldwide peace we all dream about... we should fight against real sexism and real harmful expression or thoughts. Edit: reading my posts again made me realize I've actually been disrespectful towards your opinion. Sorry for that Colourful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracious Gaga 17,163 Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, Infinity Wave said: Excuse me if I made you feel that way, it was not my intention I didn't want to make fun of you, neither to insult you, I respect your feelings and opinions, we just have very differnt opinions! I don't think I'm not someone Gaga don't want as a fan, I believe in equality and would love the world to live in peace, with no one insulting no one else but respecting him/her. I just don't think that's the way of reaching that worldwide peace we all dream about... we should fight against real sexism and real harmful expression or thoughts. Thank you, I appreciate all that was just said. However, while it may not come across as a real issue to you, it is huge to me. Growing up as a gay boy, hearing expressions as such made me feel like since I was a boy and I actually do have balls attached to my body (sorry for the imagery) then I must act like a product of society. I wasn't like other boys, I wasn't into sports or things society classified as "manly". I felt like in order to fit in that I had to be "manly" and tough and strong and just something I truly wasn't. I never felt comfortable being myself. I've always been a soft and sensitive person, and there is nothing wrong with that. and SO OFTEN I would hear people tell me "boys don't cry" and for a very long time I felt that I had to supres my emotions and hide them due to the fear of showing potential signs of weakness. However, today now I know I was never weak. I was just human and I felt things EVERYBODY feels regardless of gender but BECAUSE of my gender, I felt obliged to go about expressing my emotions in an unauthentic way. The reason for this thread is because I dream of a world were no boy, or girl, ever had to grow up living under the influence of such stupid expressions. They may not be a real issue to you, but for other you never know how deep they can cut. Again, what you said just now was very kind respectful, thank you ♥ Kindness Police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Wave 7,635 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Just now, Gracious Gaga said: Again, what you said just now was very kind respectful, thank you I didn't know your story, I feel really sorry now... I hope you can now finally feel free to be youself, with no prejudice or anything from others people that do not respect you. Colourful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
666 others 1,856 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 @Infinity Wave @Gracious Gaga I feel so happy to read your exchange. :holyshit: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracious Gaga 17,163 Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, Infinity Wave said: I didn't know your story, I feel really sorry now... I hope you can now finally feel free to be youself, with no prejudice or anything from others people that do not respect you. Thank you, i really appreciate this response. ♥ Kindness Police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracious Gaga 17,163 Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 38 minutes ago, Placebo said: People are actually dying and we fight over a phrase that her father cried. We need Goddess of Love to show us the light. Hi, I would like to share something personal with you! Growing up as a gay boy, hearing expressions as such made me feel like since I was a boy and I actually do have balls attached to my body (sorry for the imagery) then I must act like a product of society. I wasn't like other boys, I wasn't into sports or things society classified as "manly". I felt like in order to fit in that I had to be "manly" and tough and strong and just something I truly wasn't. I never really felt comfortable being myself. I've always been a soft and sensitive person, and there is nothing wrong with that. and SO OFTEN I would hear people tell me "boys don't cry" and for a very long time I felt that I had to suppress my emotions and hide them due to the fear of showing potential signs of weakness. However, today now I know I was never weak. I was just human and I felt things EVERYBODY feels regardless of gender but BECAUSE of my gender, I felt obliged to go about expressing my emotions in an unauthentic way. The reason for this thread is because I dream of a world were no boy, or girl, ever had to grow up living under the influence of such stupid expressions. They may not be a real issue to you, but for others you never know how deep they can cut. ♥ Kindness Police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJackMonster 1,857 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 She says the phrase 'manly cries' almost in quote marks. That's what her father/mark would of said for themselves if they were there. Shes knows herself it's not a 'manly' cry but says it incase her father is not comfortable with her flat out saying he cried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracious Gaga 17,163 Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 15 hours ago, Sheena said: She's joking. Why are you so sensitive? I would now like to preface this post with some personal insight as to why I feel the way I feel about phrases like the ones Gaga (and many other people) uses at times: Growing up as a gay boy, I faced a lot of prejudicial treatment because, in many close minded people's eyes, my personality didn't seem to match up with my gender. I wasn't like most boys. I didn't find girls sexually attractive, didn't like sports, action heroes, or other things typically associated to be designed for boys. I was always on the softer side, sensitive, and I tended to be interested in things that were typically associated to be for girls. People would call me a sissy. Today I can ask, was I really a sissy though? Or does society have it engrained in their mind that people like me are? Back then, that would make me feel like there was something wrong with me...it would make me feel like I wasn't a real "boy", like I was less than, like I didn't fit in, and like I needed to change. I felt like in order to fit in that I had to be a product of society and be "manly" and tough and strong and just something I truly wasn't. So, I never really felt comfortable being myself. SO OFTEN I would hear people tell me "boys don't cry" or been told I need to "man up, have some balls" and for a very long time I felt that I had to suppress my emotions and hide them due to the fear of showing potential signs of weakness. However, today now I know I was never weak. I was just human and I felt things EVERYBODY feels regardless of gender but BECAUSE of my gender, I felt obliged to go about expressing my emotions in an unauthentic way. The reason for this thread is because I dream of a world were no boy, or girl, ever has to grow up living under the influence of such stupid phrases, sayings, or expressions. To some, this may not be a real issue, but for others you never know how deep words can cut. A lot of people on this thread are coming off as very anti supportive of my hopes for a better future in society. I'm not doing anything wrong or harmful, no intentions of hurting anyone or to deflate anyone's dreams. It actually feels like many people here are making fun of me and trying to belittle me here. In my opinion, such a person is the exact representation of everything lady gaga probably wouldn't have wanted her fans to treat others during the BTW era. Hopefully one day we can live in peace. Please remember this post is not completely directed towards and ONLY about what Lady Gaga has said, but a reflection of issues in ALL of society. ♥ Kindness Police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracious Gaga 17,163 Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 30 minutes ago, Mercer said: She says the phrase 'manly cries' almost in quote marks. That's what her father/mark would of said for themselves if they were there. Shes knows herself it's not a 'manly' cry but says it incase her father is not comfortable with her flat out saying he cried. Please remember this post is not completely directed towards and ONLY about what Lady Gaga has said, but a reflection of issues in ALL of society. ♥ Kindness Police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said: I would now like to preface this post with some personal insight as to why I feel the way I feel about phrases like the ones Gaga (and many other people) uses at times: Growing up as a gay boy, I faced a lot of prejudicial treatment because, in many close minded people's eyes, my personality didn't seem to match up with my gender. I wasn't like most boys. I didn't find girls sexually attractive, didn't like sports, action heroes, or other things typically associated to be designed for boys. I was always on the softer side, sensitive, and I tended to be interested in things that were typically associated to be for girls. People would call me a sissy. Today I can ask, was I really a sissy though? Or does society have it engrained in their mind that people like me are? Back then, that would make me feel like there was something wrong with me...it would make me feel like I wasn't a real "boy", like I was less than, like I didn't fit in, and like I needed to change. I felt like in order to fit in that I had to be a product of society and be "manly" and tough and strong and just something I truly wasn't. So, I never really felt comfortable being myself. SO OFTEN I would hear people tell me "boys don't cry" or been told I need to "man up, have some balls" and for a very long time I felt that I had to suppress my emotions and hide them due to the fear of showing potential signs of weakness. However, today now I know I was never weak. I was just human and I felt things EVERYBODY feels regardless of gender but BECAUSE of my gender, I felt obliged to go about expressing my emotions in an unauthentic way. The reason for this thread is because I dream of a world were no boy, or girl, ever has to grow up living under the influence of such stupid phrases, sayings, or expressions. To some, this may not be a real issue, but for others you never know how deep words can cut. A lot of people on this thread are coming off as very anti supportive of my hopes for a better future in society. I'm not doing anything wrong or harmful, no intentions of hurting anyone or to deflate anyone's dreams. It actually feels like many people here are making fun of me and trying to belittle me here. In my opinion, such a person is the exact representation of everything lady gaga probably wouldn't have wanted her fans to treat others during the BTW era. Hopefully one day we can live in peace. Please remember this post is not completely directed towards and ONLY about what Lady Gaga has said, but a reflection of issues in ALL of society. I just wanna point out to you that it's not just "gay boys" that go thru that type of gender role ****. I'm str8 and people did the same thing to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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