Shimon Peres is dead

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"(CNN)Shimon Peres, the Israeli elder statesman who shared a Nobel Prize for forging a peace deal between Israelis and Palestinians, has died. He served as a constant force for generations in Israeli politics. 

The 93-year-old died after suffering a massive stroke two weeks ago. He was reported to be making progress but doctors said he took a turn for the worse Tuesday. 

In top leadership roles over the decades -- including Prime Minister and President -- the Labor Party veteran became a face of the Jewish State, instantly recognized and well-respected in Israel and across the globe. 

"There's no corner of this country that he hasn't touched," Zionist Union Chairman Isaac Herzog once said. "Everywhere he goes around the world, people listen to him."

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/27/middleeast/shimon-peres-obit/

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The debate killed him

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[Melech 9,900]

5 hours ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Ofc you would come here and attack a nobel price winner and a hero for many! This is how much decency you have. 

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15 minutes ago, Simon said:

Ofc you would come here and attack a nobel price winner and a hero for many! This is how much decency you have. 

 

Of course you'd hail a war criminal, hagana terrorist and delete his past, only because he passed away. I bet you'd do the same for Netanyahu.

Nobel Prize? Hitler, Stalin and Moussolini were nominated for Nobel Prize. I know, shocking.

Yasser Arafat was winner of Nobel Prize, would you praise him as hero too?

Have some decency for his victims.

 

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Of course you'd hail a war criminal, hagana terrorist and delete his past, only because he passed away. I bet you'd do the same for Netanyahu.

Nobel Prize? Hitler was nominated for Nobel Prize. I know, shocking.

Yasser Arafat was winner of Nobel Prize, would you praise him as hero too?

Have some decency for his victims.

 

Question is would you praise Arafat? Do you praise PLO? Cause I know you do.

Haganah was not a terrorist group

 

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1 minute ago, Simon said:

Question is would you praise Arafat? Do you praise PLO? Cause I know you do.

Haganah was not a terrorist group

 

 

learn your history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

 

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

learn your history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

 

You didn't answer my question 

 

 

[Melech 9,900]

Also Irgun split of Haganah, so you can't exactly put them equal. 

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4 minutes ago, Simon said:

Question is would you praise Arafat? Do you praise PLO? Cause I know you do.

Haganah was not a terrorist group

 

 

You didn't answer mine either, you never do.

Nobel prize winners mean nothing to me, but they seem to mean a lot to you. Yet I doubt you'd praise Arafat the same way or at all. 

 

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6 hours ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

 

 

 

 

The bad things you do in life don't discredit the good.

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, YourSweet666 said:

 

You didn't answer mine either, you never do.

Nobel prize winners mean nothing to me, but they seem to mean a lot to you. Yet I doubt you'd praise Arafat the same way or at all. 

 

Even if he don't mean anything to me, I wouldn't derail a thread about mourning 

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When the world heard that Shimon Peres had died, it shouted “Peacemaker!” But when I heard thatPeres was dead, I thought of blood and fire and slaughter. 

I saw the results: babies torn apart, shrieking refugees, smouldering bodies. It was a place called Qana and most of the 106 bodies – half of them children – now lie beneath the UN camp where they were torn to pieces by Israeli shells in 1996. I had been on a UN aid convoy just outside the south Lebanese village. Those shells swished right over our heads and into the refugees packed below us. It lasted for 17 minutes.

Shimon Peres, standing for election as Israel’s prime minister – a post he inherited when his predecessor Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated – decided to increase his military credentials before polling day by assaulting Lebanon. Thejoint Nobel Peace Prize holder used as an excuse the firing of Katyusha rockets over the Lebanese border by theHezbollah. In fact, their rockets were retaliation for the killing of a small Lebanese boy by a booby-trap bomb they suspected had been left by an Israeli patrol. It mattered not.

A few days later, Israeli troops insideLebanon came under attack close to Qana and retaliated by opening fire into the village. Their first shells hit a cemetery used by Hezbollah; the rest flew directly into the UN Fijian army camp where hundreds of civilians were sheltering. Peres announced that “we did not know that several hundred people were concentrated in that camp. It came to us as a bitter surprise.”

It was a lie. The Israelis had occupied Qana for years after their 1982 invasion, they had video film of the camp, they were even flying a drone over the camp during the 1996 massacre – a fact they denied until a UN soldier gave me his video of the drone, frames from which we published in The Independent. The UN had repeatedly told Israel that the camp was packed with refugees.

This was Peres’s contribution to Lebanese peace. He lost the election and probably never thought much more about Qana. But I never forgot it. 

When I reached the UN gates, blood was pouring through them in torrents. I could smell it. It washed over our shoes and stuck to them like glue. There were legs and arms, babies without heads, old men’s heads without bodies. A man’s body was hanging in two pieces in a burning tree. What was left of him was on fire. 

On the steps of the barracks, a girl sat holding a man with grey hair, her arm round his shoulder, rocking the corpse back and forth in her arms. His eyes were staring at her. She was keening and weeping and crying, over and over: “My father, my father.” If she is still alive – and there was to be another Qana massacre in the years to come, this time from the Israeli air force – I doubt if the word “peacemaker” will be crossing her lips.

There was a UN enquiry which stated in its bland way that it did not believe the slaughter was an accident. The UN report was accused of being anti-Semitic. Much later, a brave Israeli magazine published an interview with the artillery soldiers who fired at Qana. An officer had referred to the villagers as “just a bunch of Arabs” (‘arabushim’ in Hebrew). “A few Arabushim die, there is no harm in that,” he was quoted as saying. Peres’s chief of staff was almost equally carefree: “I don’t know any other rules of the game, either for the [Israeli] army or for civilians…”

Peres called his Lebanese invasion “Operation Grapes of Wrath”, which – if it wasn’t inspired by John Steinbeck – must have come from the Book of Deuteronomy. “The sword without and terror within,” it says in Chapter 32, “shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of grey hairs.” Could there be a better description of those 17 minutes at Qana?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/shimon-peres-dies-israel-qana-massacre-never-forget-no-peacemaker-robert-fisk-a7334656.html

 

 

@Saint Laurent I'm sure even bin Laden was good to someone in his life, maybe he gave a lot to charity.

You are talking here about person with blood on his hands, responsible for Nakba - Palestinian exodus, massacre of refugees in Lebanon and decades of oppression of people whose land was stolen.

If you think all that should be erased just because he's dead, you are mistaken. 

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

Just now, YourSweet666 said:

When the world heard that Shimon Peres had died, it shouted “Peacemaker!” But when I heard thatPeres was dead, I thought of blood and fire and slaughter. 

I saw the results: babies torn apart, shrieking refugees, smouldering bodies. It was a place called Qana and most of the 106 bodies – half of them children – now lie beneath the UN camp where they were torn to pieces by Israeli shells in 1996. I had been on a UN aid convoy just outside the south Lebanese village. Those shells swished right over our heads and into the refugees packed below us. It lasted for 17 minutes.

Shimon Peres, standing for election as Israel’s prime minister – a post he inherited when his predecessor Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated – decided to increase his military credentials before polling day by assaulting Lebanon. Thejoint Nobel Peace Prize holder used as an excuse the firing of Katyusha rockets over the Lebanese border by theHezbollah. In fact, their rockets were retaliation for the killing of a small Lebanese boy by a booby-trap bomb they suspected had been left by an Israeli patrol. It mattered not.

A few days later, Israeli troops insideLebanon came under attack close to Qana and retaliated by opening fire into the village. Their first shells hit a cemetery used by Hezbollah; the rest flew directly into the UN Fijian army camp where hundreds of civilians were sheltering. Peres announced that “we did not know that several hundred people were concentrated in that camp. It came to us as a bitter surprise.”

It was a lie. The Israelis had occupied Qana for years after their 1982 invasion, they had video film of the camp, they were even flying a drone over the camp during the 1996 massacre – a fact they denied until a UN soldier gave me his video of the drone, frames from which we published in The Independent. The UN had repeatedly told Israel that the camp was packed with refugees.

This was Peres’s contribution to Lebanese peace. He lost the election and probably never thought much more about Qana. But I never forgot it. 

When I reached the UN gates, blood was pouring through them in torrents. I could smell it. It washed over our shoes and stuck to them like glue. There were legs and arms, babies without heads, old men’s heads without bodies. A man’s body was hanging in two pieces in a burning tree. What was left of him was on fire. 

On the steps of the barracks, a girl sat holding a man with grey hair, her arm round his shoulder, rocking the corpse back and forth in her arms. His eyes were staring at her. She was keening and weeping and crying, over and over: “My father, my father.” If she is still alive – and there was to be another Qana massacre in the years to come, this time from the Israeli air force – I doubt if the word “peacemaker” will be crossing her lips.

There was a UN enquiry which stated in its bland way that it did not believe the slaughter was an accident. The UN report was accused of being anti-Semitic. Much later, a brave Israeli magazine published an interview with the artillery soldiers who fired at Qana. An officer had referred to the villagers as “just a bunch of Arabs” (‘arabushim’ in Hebrew). “A few Arabushim die, there is no harm in that,” he was quoted as saying. Peres’s chief of staff was almost equally carefree: “I don’t know any other rules of the game, either for the [Israeli] army or for civilians…”

Peres called his Lebanese invasion “Operation Grapes of Wrath”, which – if it wasn’t inspired by John Steinbeck – must have come from the Book of Deuteronomy. “The sword without and terror within,” it says in Chapter 32, “shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of grey hairs.” Could there be a better description of those 17 minutes at Qana?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/shimon-peres-dies-israel-qana-massacre-never-forget-no-peacemaker-robert-fisk-a7334656.html

 

 

@Saint Laurent I'm sure even bin Laden was good to someone in his life, maybe he gave a lot to charity.

You are talking here about person with blood on his hands, responsible for Nakba - Palestinian exodus, massacre of refugees in Lebanon and decades of oppression of people whose land was stolen.

If you think all that should be erased just because he's dead, you are mistaken. 

I didn't say the bad should be forgotten, but don't try to discredit the fact that he clearly did some good too.

If i rapist offered to help you up off the track while the train was coming so you wouldn't die, would you condemn him for it because he's a rapist?

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I just can't stop laughing at the irony that a PLO-, Hamas-, Intifada-, BDS- supporter all saying this LMAO :lmao: