Born To Slay 10,996 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Just now, faysalaaa1 said: Well thats what the left is turning into and people are sick of it which is why the rise of Trump came and racism is back again.. I support classic liberalism but that doesnt exist anymore, today you have the regressive left that are changing laws and destroying western values. That's not what the left is turning into too. Extreme feminists don't represent the liberal left. Also, Trump is rising because people are tired of the establishment, not liberals. The establishment a lot more republican atm then liberal. That guy didnt make any decent points btw. He must never have a debated a real live liberal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: That's not what the left is turning into too. Extreme feminists don't represent the liberal left. Also, Trump is rising because people are tired of the establishment, not liberals. The establishment a lot more republican atm then liberal. That guy didnt make any decent points btw. He must never have a debated a real live liberal. Well thats what im seeing.. I see the laws and collage campuses changing and and the media catering to them while everyone is being accused of racism and sexism even Bernie Sanders to the point where he catered to who accused him of racism and gave them money! Im a Libertarian which is very close from classic liberalism yet I still cant relate to Liberals of today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 On 9/21/2016 at 7:49 PM, Born To Slay said: That's not what the left is turning into too. Extreme feminists don't represent the liberal left. Also, Trump is rising because people are tired of the establishment, not liberals. The establishment a lot more republican atm then liberal. That guy didnt make any decent points btw. He must never have a debated a real live liberal. You said liberals dont think the way I said they do and they believe in gender differences, while you might be right but a extremely high number believe gender is a social construct and other genders exist not to mention its being taught in schools and collages! im commenting now because I sow the insanity on this forum: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 39 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: You said liberals dont think the way I said they do and they believe in gender differences, while you might be right but a extremely high number believe gender is a social construct and other genders exist not to mention its being taught in schools and collages! im commenting now because I sow the insanity on this forum: That thread isnt promoting the idea that gender is strictly societal, rather it's promoting the idea that society has demonized certain things, such as men crying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Born To Slay said: That thread isnt promoting the idea that gender is strictly societal, rather it's promoting the idea that society has demonized certain things, such as men crying. Its not that thread only, its the comments and what they replied to me in there.. this would never happen with none liberals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 38 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: Its not that thread only, its the comments and what they replied to me in there.. this would never happen with none liberals. Most of the people in that thread were dismissive of the op and many of those dismissive people were liberal. I didn't read all replies but I didn't see anything unreasonable from hat I read. Show me what U thought was an example of over bearing liberalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 11 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: Most of the people in that thread were dismissive of the op and many of those dismissive people were liberal. I didn't read all replies but I didn't see anything unreasonable from hat I read. Show me what U thought was an example of over bearing liberalism. Im not saying all Liberals are that way but these are things coming out of liberalism and is growing specially that its taught in schools and collages.. yes most comments were against the op but many agreed too. I was called a sexist a couple of times in that threat and people send me privet messages attacking me because I was arguing that gender is not a social construct in that thread. I am not attacking Liberals as I actually used to be a Liberal and im kinda still am but I agree more with classic liberalism so I cant relate to liberals today.. I want to change these problems as I am one of them. Dave Rubin from Youtube talks alot about this as hes a Liberal. I now lean more towards Libertarian and agree with conservatives more than Liberals as those two ideologies are changing and they are not what they used to be anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: Im not saying all Liberals are that way but these are things coming out of liberalism and is growing specially that its taught in schools and collages.. yes most comments were against the op but many agreed too. I was called a sexist a couple of times in that threat and people send me privet messages attacking me because I was arguing that gender is not a social construct in that thread. I am not attacking Liberals as I actually used to be a Liberal and im kinda still am but I agree more with classic liberalism so I cant relate to liberals today.. I want to change these problems as I am one of them. Dave Rubin from Youtube talks alot about this as hes a Liberal. I now lean more towards Libertarian and agree with conservatives more than Liberals as those two ideologies are changing and they are not what they used to be anymore. Okay, there are some misguided ideas coming out of certain liberals. I personally think that society does influence gender norms but there's also some scientific stuff that separates the genders like u pointed out. I'm fairly sure most liberals believe this, tho there is a segment that doesn't and that segment gets its share of criticism from other liberals. I can see why u can't relate, u seem more moderate and the liberals have moved left in the last decade. The nation in general seems to be. So what was once liberalism, is starting to libertarian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 23 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: Okay, there are some misguided ideas coming out of certain liberals. I personally think that society does influence gender norms but there's also some scientific stuff that separates the genders like u pointed out. I'm fairly sure most liberals believe this, tho there is a segment that doesn't and that segment gets its share of criticism from other liberals. I can see why u can't relate, u seem more moderate and the liberals have moved left in the last decade. The nation in general seems to be. So what was once liberalism, is starting to libertarian. Yes I agree with everything you said. Just wanted to point out that Liberals are not turning into Libertarians, Liberals are turning into something else.. Libertarian is close to classic Liberal and thats what I am at the moment and relate to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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