George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary

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LMAO. Trump continues to look bad. 

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1 hour ago, Whispering said:

 The elder Bush has a 63 per cent favorability rating overall, eighty eight per cent with Republicans. As far as living Presidents go, that's pretty glowing. 

His favorability is irrelevant to what I am talking about. It's not really fantastic for a Democratic nominee to be endorsed by a conservative Republican president, at least it's not a glowing endorsement for progressives. 

It's a reflection of her moderate conservative ideas, such as a hawkish military, strict immigration laws, reduced welfare, laissez-faire rules for Wall Street, and international business treaties that favor large corporations. George H.W Bush now joins Laura Bush, **** Cheney and Henry Kissinger in the list of not so favourable endorsements.

Hillary is a moderate conservative on so many issues. I don't think that's the direction the Democratic Party should go, that's why I take issue with this endorsement. I don't think a Democratic nominee should really appeal to conservative Republican presidents. 

It's not very encouraging to see a former conservative Republican President vote for the Democratic nominee. That's not the sort of support I'd ideally like a Democratic nominee to garner. 

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1 hour ago, Bebe said:

His favorability is irrelevant to what I am talking about. It's not really fantastic for a Democratic nominee to be endorsed by a conservative Republican president, at least it's not a glowing endorsement for progressives. 

It's a reflection of her moderate conservative ideas, such as a hawkish military, strict immigration laws, reduced welfare, laissez-faire rules for Wall Street, and international business treaties that favor large corporations. George H.W Bush now joins Laura Bush, **** Cheney and Henry Kissinger in the list of not so favourable endorsements.

Hillary is a moderate conservative on so many issues. I don't think that's the direction the Democratic Party should go, that's why I take issue with this endorsement. I don't think a Democratic nominee should really appeal to conservative Republican presidents. 

It's not very encouraging to see a former conservative Republican President vote for the Democratic nominee. That's not the sort of support I'd ideally like a Democratic nominee to garner. 

No, it is a reflection of how poor the GOP candidate is. George W. Bush now joins an ever growing list of respected Republicans who will not endorse Trump due to his racist, misogynistic and dangerous ideas and complete ineptitude. These leaders of the Republican Party still support the party and other Republican candidates up and down the ticket, they simply can't support Trump at the top of the ticket because they are choosing the safety of the country over their party allegiance.

This list includes over 110 current and former members of Congress, governors and high-level officials from Republican administrations. Some of these Republicans dropped their support before the RNC and many dropped their support after Trump insulted the Gold Star family. 

Obama was more moderate than Hillary is at this time and he certainly didn't get former Republican Presidents and FLOTUS speaking out saying that they were voting for him. Same with the list of other Democratic nominees in the past. These types of endorsements don't happen often and don't happen at the level we are seeing...from people who were at the top of the ticket. 

It is telling and a sign that Trump is a reckless and dangerous choice for the leader of the country. Those who were in that position in the past know this and that's why they can't support him.  

 

 

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This proves it....Hilary is a ...................................

Republican in disquise .... 8-/

[Bebe 17,289]

16 minutes ago, Whispering said:

No, it is a reflection of how poor the GOP candidate is. George W. Bush now joins an ever growing list of respected Republicans who will not endorse Trump due to his racist, misogynistic and dangerous ideas and complete ineptitude. These leaders of the Republican Party still support the party and other Republican candidates up and down the ticket, they simply can't support Trump at the top of the ticket because they are choosing the safety of the country over their party allegiance.

Obama was more moderate than Hillary is at this time and he certainly didn't get former Republican Presidents and FLOTUS speaking out saying that they were voting for him. Same with the list of other Democratic nominees in the past. These types of endorsements don't happen often and don't happen at the level we are seeing, from people who were at the top of the ticket. 

It is telling and a sign that Trump is a reckless and dangerous choice for the leader of the country. Those who were in that position in the past know this and that's why they can't support him.  

 

 

Clearly part of it is a reflection of how monstrous Trump is, I wouldn't deny that and I haven't tried to deny it. If Hillary was running against Marco Rubio it's extremely obvious to anyone that G.H.W Bush would be voting Republican. I thought it was pretty clear that I believed this clearly looked bad on Trump and was a reflection of the horrendous candidate he is. This shows Trump is a reckless, dangerous candidate that is so radical that even party leaders don't support him - absolutely. 

It still doesn't look good on Hillary  It still looks kinda shitty, it still reflects Hillary's conservative views. I highly doubt G.H.W Bush would have voted for a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren type. G.H.W Bush could have voted third party or refused to vote. He could have assessed that although he didn't like Trump, he was closer to his values and beliefs, but instead he assessed that Hillary was closer.

A former Republican President is voting for a Democratic Nominee. That to me is evidence not only that Trump is further right than most establishment Republicans, but it's evidence that Hillary is closer to the right. A former Republican president is supporting a Democratic nominee for president. It's further evidence of how far right politics in the U.S has shifted.

Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee, is closer to George H.W Bush's values and beliefs then the Republican nominee.  The shift left that G.H.W Bush had to make to get to Hillary was a smaller gap than the leap right he had to make to get to Trump.
 

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Just now, Bebe said:

Clearly part of it is a reflection of how monstrous Trump is, I wouldn't deny that and I haven't tried to deny it. If Hillary was running against Marco Rubio it's extremely obvious to anyone that G.H.W Bush would be voting Republican. I thought it was pretty clear that I believed this clearly looked bad on Trump and was a reflection of the horrendous candidate he is. This shows Trump is a reckless, dangerous candidate that is so radical that even party leaders don't support him - absolutely. 

It still doesn't look good on Hillary  It still looks kinda shitty, it still reflects Hillary's conservative views. I highly doubt G.H.W Bush would have voted for a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren type. G.H.W Bush could have voted third party or refused to vote.

A former Republican President is voting for a Democratic Nominee. That to me is evidence not only that Trump is further right than most establishment Republicans, but it's evidence that Hillary is closer to the right. A former Republican president is supporting a Democratic nominee for president. It's further evidence of how far right politics in the U.S has shifted.

Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee, is closer to George H.W Bush's values and beliefs then the Republican nominee.  The shift left that G.H.W Bush had to make to get to Hillary was a smaller gap than the leap right he had to make to get to Trump.
 

If any of the other sixteen people on the stage during the GOP debates were the nominee, you would be seeing a massive allegiance from the Republican Party. There is an old saying...Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love. To see anything but Republicans falling in line is a rarity like we've not seen before in modern times. 

Sorry, but you are so off and wrong about that. If you lived here and experienced the two party system and knew how divided the country is between the two parties, you would understand the mentality behind life long party loyalists. 

The US has not shifted right, just the opposite. The problem is that those on the left won't get out and vote, especially for midterm elections. As the country moves left with the decisions passed by the Supreme Court in the recent past, the left has grown complacent. They don't believe we can go back...but it could happen. Also, the GOP has shifted right with the Tea Party mess. 

Same goes for your last paragraph. You are way off on that too. 

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43 minutes ago, Whispering said:

If any of the other sixteen people on the stage during the GOP debates were the nominee, you would be seeing a massive allegiance from the Republican Party. There is an old saying...Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love. To see anything but Republicans falling in line is a rarity like we've not seen before in modern times. 

Sorry, but you are so off and wrong about that. If you lived here and experienced the two party system and knew how divided the country is between the two parties, you would understand the mentality behind life long party loyalists. 

The US has not shifted right, just the opposite. The problem is that those on the left won't get out and vote, especially for midterm elections. As the country moves left with the decisions passed by the Supreme Court in the recent past, the left has grown complacent. They don't believe we can go back...but it could happen. Also, the GOP has shifted right with the Tea Party mess. 

Same goes for your last paragraph. You are way off on that too. 

"If any of the other sixteen people on the stage during the GOP debates were the nominee, you would be seeing a massive allegiance from the Republican Party." But of course.  I've said nothing other than that. That's pretty damn obvious.

The U.S has been a center right  country for a long time, I'm sorry to break it to you.

How can you claim my last paragraph is way off? It's as obvious as can be. You don't even try to dispute it. G.H.W Bush is closer ideologically to Clinton than Trump, if that wasn't the case then Bush would be voting Trump. That's not what is happening, Bush is voting Clinton.

That means it's a smaller move for Bush to move left and support Clinton then for him to move right and support Trump. The gap between Clinton and Bush is smaller than the gap between Trump and Bush. How could you possibly think that's way off? That shows 2 things:

1. Trump is very far right, and a dangerous candidate who cannot garner support from Establishment Republicans.
2. Hillary is comfortably center right, and can garner the votes of a Republican president when faced with such a far right candidate like Trump.

That doesn't look good on either candidate.

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7 hours ago, Goosey said:

Unless people see this as "establishment" supporting "establishment", and that Hillary isn't really Democrat or Republican, but that these elites are all just power-hungry 

Politics in a nutshell