Why does GGD shame people for having an opinion?

[Dominic 11,922]

...because people bandwagon and follow. 

Gaga had always cared for the charts, there's plenty of receipts to prove this. She only stopped caring once ARTPOP began to fail commercially but she never stopped caring really, it was just an excuse. 

Of course during the AP era many followed suit and stopped caring about charts and success because Gaga supposedly did and so we had the iconic 'Music not the bling' phrase which has been disproven countless times. Fans who once cared about the charts now say they don't and feel it's the sign of a 'true fan'. Really it's just a self righteous attitude to excuse her lack of commercial appeal and to belittle other artists. 

Of course some didn't and never will care for charts but a majority still do despite saying otherwise. It's now fashionable to not care when Gaga always has and always will. 

Gaga fans are the most pretentious really. Personally with PI I don't really care too much for its chart position because I love the song regardless but it's naive to say I don't want her to receive commercial success.  

[eNICKma 240]

8 hours ago, ApplauseftAdele said:

Legit every time someone makes a thread asking "Where do you think PI will debut?" or something like that, there is undoubtedly a comment saying "stop caring about the charts, gaga doesnt care so why do you, you dont support her making music she wants you just care about charts" etc. 

The thing that makes me the most furious is, the person isnt saying "PI will flop, Joanne is a trash era" no... they usually have no negative motivation and even put "no shade" or "I like PI but..." in the title, and people will still come after them.

And finally, what the **** is wrong with people wanting a successful Gaga era? Does that make you a bad fan? No, I personally want Gaga to have 1B views Lead single, topping the charts for 5 weeks. It IS disheartening for some monsters to see the queen of charts with 3 platinum singles and once the queen of media itself to debut in the top 20, with barely any radios playing her new "dance anthem" even the day of the release, while other trash acts like the Chainsmokers ruling the charts.

 

 

And people saying they want pop-gaga back, only to have people come for them saying "Are you really a gaga stan? Shes going in a new direction and you cant be happy? She's evolving as an artist."

Ive never wanted to slap someone behind the screen more... there are THOUSANDS of fans that fell in love with the old iconic Dark gaga that released hit after hit, shocked masses with her performances... this is someone that CHANGED THE POP INDUSTRY, so please do NOT come for people that want them back. If you were a fan of Adele and she started going into the bubblegum pop genre, would you be dissapointed even though she is "evolving as an artist, its what she wants to do?" And this doesnt mean we dont support gaga evolving as an artist, we are simply stating the opinion that we would prefer the old gaga. Its not a sin to have an opinion.

 

And now time to wait for the commenters saying "You're one of the pressed stans" or "Go stan for Katy if you want pop" please gtfo of my thread. Please just stop hating people for having their own opinion on this new Gaga era, its something different and dont expect everyone to be happy, this doesnt mean we dont support Gaga. Some of you seem to forget that gaga is a popstar, and most of her fans are looking for a popstar to stan for.

 

I go both ways with what you're saying, but I think many fans or guests on the site cross the line from constructive criticism (which are just healthy opposing opinions), to being flat out ratchet and disrespectful. Those are the people who make it hard to enjoy the fansite. But constructive criticism is necessary because it opens you to different views and perspectives. Everyone should express their honest opinions, just cut the abusive nastiness. Simple respect. 

Paws up

[Pablo 7,796]

Music not the bling

[ulizos 115]

2 hours ago, Dominic Marc said:

...because people bandwagon and follow. 

Gaga had always cared for the charts, there's plenty of receipts to prove this. She only stopped caring once ARTPOP began to fail commercially but she never stopped caring really, it was just an excuse. 

Of course during the AP era many followed suit and stopped caring about charts and success because Gaga supposedly did and so we had the iconic 'Music not the bling' phrase which has been disproven countless times. Fans who once cared about the charts now say they don't and feel it's the sign of a 'true fan'. Really it's just a self righteous attitude to excuse her lack of commercial appeal and to belittle other artists. 

Of course some didn't and never will care for charts but a majority still do despite saying otherwise. It's now fashionable to not care when Gaga always has and always will. 

Gaga fans are the most pretentious really. Personally with PI I don't really care too much for its chart position because I love the song regardless but it's naive to say I don't want her to receive commercial success.  

People are ridiculous. Like I said before these same people who are pretending that charts don't matter would be in here saying SLAY MAMA and YAAAAAASSSSSS and Katy who?

now they don't matter and gaga is soooooo above that. It's like they want her to turn into Paula Abdul. Lady Adbul. Well I don't want to see gaga as a judge on a lame tv show. 

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

4 hours ago, Dominic Marc said:

...because people bandwagon and follow. 

Gaga had always cared for the charts, there's plenty of receipts to prove this. She only stopped caring once ARTPOP began to fail commercially but she never stopped caring really, it was just an excuse. 

Of course during the AP era many followed suit and stopped caring about charts and success because Gaga supposedly did and so we had the iconic 'Music not the bling' phrase which has been disproven countless times. Fans who once cared about the charts now say they don't and feel it's the sign of a 'true fan'. Really it's just a self righteous attitude to excuse her lack of commercial appeal and to belittle other artists. 

Of course some didn't and never will care for charts but a majority still do despite saying otherwise. It's now fashionable to not care when Gaga always has and always will. 

Gaga fans are the most pretentious really. Personally with PI I don't really care too much for its chart position because I love the song regardless but it's naive to say I don't want her to receive commercial success.  

Gaga already has hundreds of millions in the bank. She could've retired after TFM and she still would've received millions a year from just royalties. You really think she cares about commercial success? 

[ApplauseftAdele 4,730]

31 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Gaga already has hundreds of millions in the bank. She could've retired after TFM and she still would've received millions a year from just royalties. You really think she cares about commercial success? 

Charts arent about success... its about the legacy that a song leaves, or the number of people that will be affected by it, which is shown in the charts

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

Just now, ApplauseftAdele said:

Charts arent about success... its about the legacy that a song leaves, or the number of people that will be affected by it, which is shown in the charts

Charts are about legacy? 

Is that why Respect by Aretha Franklin only made it to number 10?

Or What's Going On by Marvin Gaye only made it to number 57?

Stevie Wonder's Superstition could only manage to make it to number 10.

At Last by Etta James peaked at number 47, while 9-to-5 by Dolly Parton couldn't even hit the top 40.

Yet these are all timeless classics with a legacy that will carry on through generations. Compare these songs with the current number 1: What legacy will Closer by the Chainsmokers have I wonder???

[ApplauseftAdele 4,730]

27 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Charts are about legacy? 

Is that why Respect by Aretha Franklin only made it to number 10?

Or What's Going On by Marvin Gaye only made it to number 57?

Stevie Wonder's Superstition could only manage to make it to number 10.

At Last by Etta James peaked at number 47, while 9-to-5 by Dolly Parton couldn't even hit the top 40.

Yet these are all timeless classics with a legacy that will carry on through generations. Compare these songs with the current number 1: What legacy will Closer by the Chainsmokers have I wonder???

Ok yes, Legacy was too strong a word, But charts ARE relative to the relevance of the song, and Gaga has been especially irrelevant these past 3 years, as compared to her 2010 days, and fans want to see her have "relevance" again

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

13 minutes ago, ApplauseftAdele said:

Ok yes, Legacy was too strong a word, But charts ARE relative to the relevance of the song, and Gaga has been especially irrelevant these past 3 years, as compared to her 2010 days, and fans want to see her have "relevance" again

Nah I think you mistake Gaga fans with obsessive chart freaks. Real fans don't care how many people buy or stream her music. We don't care if she is irrelevant to the charts. Her peak was 2009/2011. We're totally fine if she never reaches that level again. At least she conquered and dominated the world once. If she does it again, fantastic. If not, we won't complain. Not the real fans anyway. The only thing that makes us happy is Gaga making music that makes her happy. 

[SilkSpectre0 547]

Charts don't equal legacy or greatness. They equal fitting the formula. If you feel some kind of vicarious failure when gaga doesn't top the charts you need to focus on something other than gaga. Music is about enjoying the MUSIC regardless of how it placed. Some amazing musicians and bands have never had a number 1 in their whole career...not because it's bad music but because it doesn't hit the narrow niche of chart music. People are not hating on you they're giving perspective. 

 

For me the era wouldn't be successful if she got lots of number 1s with bad songs even tho she could easily do that. True success is putting out quality music. 

[Dominic 11,922]

2 hours ago, Lord Temptation said:

Gaga already has hundreds of millions in the bank. She could've retired after TFM and she still would've received millions a year from just royalties. You really think she cares about commercial success? 

No...of course she doesn't care about commercial success

[ApplauseftAdele 4,730]

1 hour ago, Dominic Marc said:

No...of course she doesn't care about commercial success

[PassTheTime 1,448]

1 hour ago, Dominic Marc said:

No...of course she doesn't care about commercial success

wow this post is gonna make some LM delusion a perfect illusion 

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

2 hours ago, Dominic Marc said:

No...of course she doesn't care about commercial success

Really? Is that all you see? Because all I see is a superstar who engages with her fans and is proud of her accomplishments. Well, she used to until all these Little Managers and Little Detectives started feeling entitled to speak on behalf of her.

[djBuffoon 12,120]

18 hours ago, M Monstre said:

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, you're entitled to think what you want to think.

That said here goes mine—I can already see people coming for me now—Gaga is an evolving artist, and of course we want her to be successful, but the thing is, when people seem to overly care about the charts and say "WHY ISN'T PI DOING BETTER?!" or "WHY IS SHE ONLY #XX ON THE CHARTS?!", then that's when someone like me gets annoyed.

Speaking from a business and speaking from management's perspective, of course they want her to do well. It's a business, but Gaga herself has stated numerous times that charts are not necessarily her concern. When we've waited so long her new music, and it just gets teared up by people who only want to see #1's and "Best Selling Singles", it's disappointing.

And like I said in the beginning, Gaga is always an evolving artist. I mean, would you expect the same girl who sang Just Dance to be the same girl who made an entire album with Tony Bennett? No, you wouldn't.  

Boom.