Harry 26,836 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 47 minutes ago, Jonathan2244 said: Just lost number 1 UK, and 18% god knows how, I am afraid for a rise situation. The Chainsmokers - Closer (feat. Halsey) 1.00000.85990.85340.85310.85250.84610 Lady Gaga - Perfect Illusion 0.9711 1.000 Not worried by this. I was a little surprised that she actually made number one here let alone lasted up there for almost a full day. I think her Radio 1 appearance definitely fuelled that a little bit... She kind of lost her audience here during ARTPOP so I'd say this, plus debuting at #32 on Spotify is quite a strong standing. It won't be a #1 hit here but it can be a decent enough top-ten hit that she needs. We still have the video to come. My only concern is that she's already done her promo visit for this song and won't be back to give it a TV slot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Harry said: Not worried by this. I was a little surprised that she actually made number one here let alone lasted up there for almost a full day. I think her Radio 1 appearance definitely fuelled that a little bit... She kind of lost her audience here during ARTPOP so I'd say this, plus debuting at #32 on Spotify is quite a strong standing. It won't be a #1 hit here but it can be a decent enough top-ten hit that she needs. We still have the video to come. My only concern is that she's already done her promo visit for this song and won't be back to give it a TV slot. she could do a TV commercial though-- we will see. I also agree that she'll go top 10 there (and almost everywhere) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I also think she's on a strictly radio tour currently to try to regain her top 40 mojo. I wouldn't be surprised if she's back in EU by the end of this month performing PI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 PLUS the song has been added to some popular Spotify playlists in the UK. It's the first song on the New Music Friday one (which is big), and it's also on The Pop List which has a lot of followers. She needs to get on Hot Hits UK which has almost a million followers. That probably won't happen until it charts next Friday though. 6 minutes ago, Americano said: she could do a TV commercial though-- we will see. I also agree that she'll go top 10 there (and almost everywhere) Yeah possibly. That would help. I mean there isn't actually much she could perform on right now. Out of the 3 talk shows only Jonathan Ross is on right now (starts tonight). Alan Carr and Graham Norton aren't back yet. But it would be a waste of time to come all the way back to Europe just to perform on one of those. It'd be good if she did several TV spots in other European countries though. There are places that she needs to go way more than here lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee 2,528 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, Americano said: I also think she's on a strictly radio tour currently to try to regain her top 40 mojo. I wouldn't be surprised if she's back in EU by the end of this month performing PI I think she wants to perform the song on TV shows after it builds a decent radio presence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Can anyone break down the Hot 100 points work? I think I saw @Luc post it yesterday with an estimate of how many points Closer is currently getting but I can't seem to find it Could possibly do a better estimate now that streaming numbers have started coming in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, Harry said: PLUS the song has been added to some popular Spotify playlists in the UK. It's the first song on the New Music Friday one (which is big), and it's also on The Pop List which has a lot of followers. She needs to get on Hot Hits UK which has almost a million followers. That probably won't happen until it charts next Friday though. Yeah possibly. That would help. I mean there isn't actually much she could perform on right now. Out of the 3 talk shows only Jonathan Ross is on right now (starts tonight). Alan Carr and Graham Norton aren't back yet. But it would be a waste of time to come all the way back to Europe just to perform on one of those. It'd be good if she did several TV spots in other European countries though. There are places that she needs to go way more than here lol. There's basically no where to perform in US too. kinda a weird time for single releases. Most come in August for the VMAs etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Americano said: There's basically no where to perform in US too. kinda a weird time for single releases. Most come in August for the VMAs etc Yeah it is a bit weird but I still think it was a good idea to avoid the VMAs tbh. I'd feel good if she just did Fallon in about a week or something with the video coming before then. Idk where else she can go except late nights and daytime shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,775 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 13 minutes ago, Harry said: Can anyone break down the Hot 100 points work? I think I saw @Luc post it yesterday with an estimate of how many points Closer is currently getting but I can't seem to find it Could possibly do a better estimate now that streaming numbers have started coming in. It wasn't me, but it was something like: 220 points needed for #10 260 needed for #5 650 needed for #1 1.2 million AI = 1 point 100k streams = 1 point 1k sales = 1 point So for a top 10 debut she'd need 7 million US streams, next to the 120k sales and 36M AI we can expect. For now I think 2.5 million Youtube and 3M Spotify streams is likely. Let's say another 1M streams from other services like Apple Music. She'd miss the top 10 by 5 points so let's get to work! Monsters can still make the difference between a #11 debut and a #5 debut. Gaga's heading back to the US soon, which should help. Bobby's focusing on digital promo and radio promo this era. Instagram ad, radio interviews, spotify playlists, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Tbh, when I saw the red updates yesterday on iTunes I did not expect the song to stay atop the US iTunes for long, but it still is Also bought my second copy of Perfect Illusion from Amazon MP3 today. Too bad that I don't have any premium streaming subscriptions, they're the only one that count for the German charts. Now that I think of it: Does anybody know which treaming service generates the most money for the artist/label per stream? Since the German charts are revenue and not sales based Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Laurent 4,862 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The way this is all working out seems a bit strange to me and I don't know why. I just don't think we've seen the full momentum. You have to remember as well, the numbers so far are mostly fans, the GP will only start to buy it when it builds on radio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViviLittleM 3 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Spotify US: Dangerous Woman - 444k (#23) No - 192k (#93) Work From Home - 297k (#42) Perfect Illusion - 594k (#21) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, Luc said: It wasn't me, but it was something like: 220 points needed for #10 260 needed for #5 650 needed for #1 1.2 million AI = 1 point 100k streams = 1 point 1k sales = 1 point So for a top 10 debut she'd need 7 million US streams, next to the 120k sales and 36M AI we can expect. For now I think 2.5 million Youtube and 3M Spotify streams is likely. Let's say another 1M streams from other services like Apple Music. She'd miss the top 10 by 5 points so let's get to work! Monsters can still make the difference between a #11 debut and a #5 debut. Gaga's heading back to the US soon, which should help. Bobby's focusing on digital promo and radio promo this era. Instagram ad, radio interviews, spotify playlists, etc. Oh! Sorry to whoever it actually was Thank you for the info though! I hope she can make it top ten first week, that would be an awesome start. Her return to the US to promote on Monday should help a little. It definitely seems like Bobby is doing a good job so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Yea I kinda don't mind the lack of promo spots since it also means there's no other artists getting huge boosts. By the way a hand full of radio programmers in US have picked PI as a "hot pick"--- Meaning a song that's testing well with listeners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 POP 0 33 LADY GAGA Perfect Illusion 1483 0 1483 12.183 +1483 Spins +1483 Bullet +12.183 Audience HAC 0 38 LADY GAGA Perfect Illusion 430 0 430 4.353 +430 Spins +430 Bullet +4.353 Audience (early Thursday spins included) DAY 1: LADY GAGA - PERFECT ILLUSION: 1.100 DAY 2: LADY GAGA - PERFECT ILLUSION: 17.442 (+ 16.342) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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