JDi 1,495 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 ...ever occurred to you how the actor should also play the part before transitioning? would it be appropriate if I laughed here? ...I just realized we've been talking about Matt Bomer this whole time, so taking back my "good actors getting big roles" comment lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,094 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Just now, SKANK said: We are kind of talking in circles aren't we? I just disagree with you. The fact that an otherwise qualified actor's gender identity limits the roles which are available to them is the problem. If a trans actor can pass as a cis-gender woman than they should be considered for the part of a cis-gender woman. If a cis-gender male can pass as a trans woman they should be considered for the part of a trans woman. We should be advocating primarily for trans actors to be able to tell non-trans stories, rather then preventing cis-gender actors from telling trans stories. I think the emphasis is being placed on the wrong issue, and to a hypocritical effect. "The fact that an otherwise qualified actor's gender identity limits the roles which are available to them is the problem." of course, but when a trans actor or trans voices talk about this in any form they get shut down. When they ask for the ability to play more diverse roles such as superheros there is no chance a movie like that would be green lit because it would be too much for a heteronormative audience, when they ask if they can play cisgendered people they get told that it would be too confronting and complicated to audiences and that cisgendered actors would be better, when they then ask "Can we at least get casted in trans roles?" they get told that they were not the right fit because Eddie Redmayne, Hilary Swank, Kevin Zegers, Jared Leto and Matt Bomer are better fits because they have more experience in T.V and movies and will draw the crowds. Trans actors and Trans activist HAVE been asking and advocating for more diverse roles for trans actors. They have been asking for studios, producers and casting directors to consider trans actors for cis-gendered roles and they get shut down. This isn't about Matt Bomer, this is Trans actors saying "Why didn't you consider a trans actor for this trans role when you have been telling us we are too confronting for heteronormative roles? What roles can Trans actors play?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Dramatics is the best place to play with gender, it has no barriers. Gender has always been an area of fascination by directors, actors and audience alike as you'd see from it's past. Yes, there needs to be more trans awareness but is Hollywood going to give it to you? No. Hollywood isn't meant to teach you or raise awareness, it's there to pump out just about acceptable films for the masses with good looking "actors" which are saved by a big budget. Don't take Hollywood seriously because it tells you to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bebe said: "The fact that an otherwise qualified actor's gender identity limits the roles which are available to them is the problem." of course, but when a trans actor or trans voices talk about this in any form they get shut down. When they ask for the ability to play more diverse roles such as superheros there is no chance a movie like that would be green lit because it would be too much for a heteronormative audience, when they ask if they can play cisgendered people they get told that it would be too confronting and complicated to audiences and that cisgendered actors would be better, when they then ask "Can we at least get casted in trans roles?" they get told that they were not the right fit because Eddie Redmayne, Hilary Swank, Kevin Zegers, Jared Leto and Matt Bomer are better fits because they have more experience in T.V and movies and will draw the crowds. Trans actors and Trans activist HAVE been asking and advocating for more diverse roles for trans actors. They have been asking for studios, producers and casting directors to consider trans actors for cis-gendered roles and they get shut down. This isn't about Matt Bomer, this is Trans actors saying "Why didn't you consider a trans actor for this trans role when you have been telling us we are too confronting for heteronormative roles? What roles can Trans actors play?" There are people in this thread, thousands people on various social media platforms, and high profile trans activists who are arguing that a cis-gender man should never portray a transgender woman on film because it promotes acts of violence against trans women, it makes a mockery of the trans experience, it promotes the idea that trans women are performing in some way, and most laughably a cis-gender actor doesn't have the life experience necessary to play a trans character. Those are arguments being put forward by activists. So, lets not pretend activists are focused solely or even primarily on the lack of job opportunities for the handful of trans actors who exist in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bebe said: "The fact that an otherwise qualified actor's gender identity limits the roles which are available to them is the problem." of course, but when a trans actor or trans voices talk about this in any form they get shut down. When they ask for the ability to play more diverse roles such as superheros there is no chance a movie like that would be green lit because it would be too much for a heteronormative audience, when they ask if they can play cisgendered people they get told that it would be too confronting and complicated to audiences and that cisgendered actors would be better, when they then ask "Can we at least get casted in trans roles?" they get told that they were not the right fit because Eddie Redmayne, Hilary Swank, Kevin Zegers, Jared Leto and Matt Bomer are better fits because they have more experience in T.V and movies and will draw the crowds. Trans actors and Trans activist HAVE been asking and advocating for more diverse roles for trans actors. They have been asking for studios, producers and casting directors to consider trans actors for cis-gendered roles and they get shut down. This isn't about Matt Bomer, this is Trans actors saying "Why didn't you consider a trans actor for this trans role when you have been telling us we are too confronting for heteronormative roles? What roles can Trans actors play?" when will you realize some of us just don't think that whining about this will open any doors but letting it be will? he's right that you're (used to) talking in circles. we have a history of annoying each other once you start doing this. we've made it clear on what we agree/disagree a while ago. your façade is fine. pull out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 People need to understand this is not about him being cis, they didn't pick him because he was cis. They picked him because he was a popular name that will draw in a larger audience, this is all about the money the producers hardly care if he is really trans or not . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Azor Ahai said: People need to understand this is not about him being cis, they didn't pick him because he was cis. They picked him because he was a popular name that will draw in a larger audience, this is all about the money the producers hardly care if he is really trans or not . I trust Ruffalo's experience with him was the main reason. you also want a critically acclaimed movie, you know... and with Matt Bomer being virtually a nobody outside of the US, I doubt his star power is what they count on to draw the crowds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 minute ago, JDi said: I trust Ruffalo's experience with him was the main reason. you also want a critically acclaimed movie, you know... and with Matt Bomer being virtually a nobody outside of the US, I doubt his star power is what they count on to draw the crowds. He is quite popular I see him in local magazines my mom reads all the time. He was on Magic Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,094 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, SKANK said: There are people in this thread, thousands people on various social media platforms, and high profile trans activists who are arguing that a cis-gender man should never portray a transgender woman on film because it promotes acts of violence against trans women, it makes a mockery of the trans experience, it promotes the idea that trans women are performing in some way, and most laughably a cis-gender actor doesn't have the life experience necessary to play a trans character. Those are arguments being put forward by activists. So, lets not pretend activists are focused solely or even primarily on the lack of job opportunities for the handful of trans actors who exist in the world. When a story like this comes out people get pissed off that Trans people are being pushed out of the media and out of the conversation. I do think there are points to be made about how depictions of trans women as cis men in wigs delegitimizes trans identities and contributes to violence against trans women, but I don't think that's an argument I am going to win with you. You have been quoting me, disputing my opinions on the issue though, so you can't really disagree with my points by pointing out arguments I'm not making. "Lets not pretend activists are focused solely or even primarily on the lack of job opportunities for the handful of trans actors who exist in the world." Err they are absolutely doing that. I mean this story is specifically about how another cis man is going to be playing a trans women, so of course conversation is going to get more specific, but trans activists are constantly talking about how trans women and trans men should be better represented in the media. 3 minutes ago, JDi said: when will you realize some of us just don't think that whining about this will open any doors but letting it be will? he's right that you're (used to) talking in circles. we have a history of annoying each other once you start doing this. we've made it clear on what we agree/disagree a while ago. your façade is fine. pull out. I'm very aware of this I thought you didn't want to be a part of the conversation though? So I'm not sure why you continue to keep butting in really. I can't see at all how letting things be exactly how it is will open any doors, I do see how continuing to pressure studios to consider trans actors will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharamon 6,839 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 What the **** is MDNA... i mean cisgender Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Just now, Azor Ahai said: He is quite popular I see him in local magazines my mom reads all the time. He was on Magic Mike. he's not to this movie what Sean Penn was to Milk. he's not the hook. the subject itself is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,094 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 10 minutes ago, Azor Ahai said: People need to understand this is not about him being cis, they didn't pick him because he was cis. They picked him because he was a popular name that will draw in a larger audience, this is all about the money the producers hardly care if he is really trans or not . Yes, but how do trans people get popular names if they are not being considered for any roles? The only roles trans people are really considered for are trans roles, but they can't get those roles because popular cisgendered actors are signing on to play those roles... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bebe said: I thought you didn't want to be a part of the conversation though? So I'm not sure why you continue to keep butting in really. umexcusemema'am Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Just now, Bebe said: Yes, but how do trans people get popular names if they are not being considered for any roles? The only roles trans people are really considered for are trans roles, but they can't get those roles because popular cisgendered actors are signing on to play those roles... Why are they not considered for cis roles? Not passing enough? The most popular trans actors and actresses are quite passing I don't see the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,094 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Just now, Azor Ahai said: Why are they not considered for cis roles? Not passing enough? The most popular trans actors and actresses are quite passing I don't see the problem. Transphobia I suppose It's considered too confronting to a heteronormative audience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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