Juvi 1,639 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 8 minutes ago, Lion Heart said: 2 minutes ago, bionic said: After the things he's said to Germany in the past few months, I hope they reject his call the effrontery he has w/ this call is UNBELIEVABLE!!! (sorry, i can't think of more words than that right now!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstereo 1,232 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, Lion Heart said: lol, dumbass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,946 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, Juvi said: I kinda wanna cry because sich situations frighten me but than I think about the freedom those people will achive and hopefully Lives filled with love, happiness & joy! I meant to quote you earlier, but it didn't send my reply Just because the coup is removing erdoğan, it doesn't mean that they are any better, or that they won't be worse than him. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Heart 15,041 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Reports of an explosion in Turkish capital. ▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juvi 1,639 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Just now, FATCAT said: I meant to quote you earlier, but it didn't send my reply Just because the coup is removing erdoğan, it doesn't mean that they are any better, or that they won't be worse than him. yeah, sadly, i just saw the tweet that shows how that shot an erdogan supporter. (But I don't know what I would have done in their situation.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstereo 1,232 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 So who's side should we be on? The government or the police? Is one more corrupt than the other? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, Indyl said: What's the political situation in Turkey that sparked this? Military is progressive and secular, AKP regressive and islamist. Whenever the government moves too far to the right, the military comes in. This is also the reason why the Turkish military is quite small. So basically the military coup is committed to restore democracy in the way Atatürk intended it (France-like secularism). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, monstereo said: So who's side should we be on? The government or the police? Is one more corrupt than the other? Government = Islamist and seems to be growing more and more like a dictatorship Military = Wants to impose secularism, democracy, human rights. Whether they do that or not if the coup is succsesful, I don't know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juvi 1,639 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'm really crying now, there was reportly an explosion at the capital. Why has violence "be the way to achive freedom"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoWeeks 86 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 police and govenment is the same side other side is millitary and erdoğan interviewed again. He is looking scared . He is hardly speaking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstereo 1,232 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Just now, bionic said: Government = Islamist and seems to be growing more and more like a dictatorship Military = Wants to impose secularism, democracy, human rights. Whether they do that or not if the coup is succsesful, I don't know Ok, I see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Juvi said: I'm really crying now, there was reportly an explosion at the capital. Why has violence "be the way to achive freedom"? Pain is often the price we must pay for freedom. Most of us on GGD are lucky that the fights for our rights occurred generations before we were born. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosalina 612 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, Indyl said: What's the political situation in Turkey that sparked this? Turkey was founded by Mustafa Atatürk as a secular democracy; the Turkish military is sworn to defend the secularism of the country, and Erdogan has since his inauguration attemped to impose Islamism on Turkey as an autocratic dictator. The Turkish military have clearly had enough and are simply obeying their oath to their founding father to preserve the secular democracy of their own country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Erdogan claims coup was initiated by Gülen movement, a religious (conservative) movement with big control in Turkish police and military. Don't know if that's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Just now, Luc said: Erdogan claims coup was initiated by Gülen movement, a religious (conservative) movement with big control in Turkish police and military. Don't know if that's true. Do we know where he is right now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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