David Cameron's latest move

[gagzus 23,062]

[Please note that this is simply my own speculation based upon research I have been conducting, also if this deserves to be in Conversation Area more then the mods can move it]

As some of you may be aware after the Brexit vote to leave the European Union was made, David Cameron decided he would resign and our [the UK] country would have to vote on his successor in late fall/early winter this year, originally it was speculated that his party successor would automatically become the new Prime Minister but now there's the possibility of ANY party leader becoming the leader of the government [from what I've seen on The Sunday Politics this morning anyway], now this plays into the potential to either delay or even stop Brexit from happening because of several factors;

Factor 1: David Cameron has NOT done what was said in regards to Article 50, which would initiate the process of removing the UK from the EU, he originally promised that the Article would come into effect immediately once a Vote Leave result was shown. Instead now he has NOT initiated it, instead he is leaving the decision to his successor [note why I say decision as it comes into play in Factor 4].

Factor 2: Article 50 is not legally binding until it is initiated and as a democratic society, our PM has the choice as to whether or not initiate it. "But what about the referendum result?" I hear you say, well the third factor explains that.

Factor 3: Although the EU Referendum was started and indeed turned out a result, the result is in fact NOT legally binding [from information I've gathered anyway], the government still has the choice thanks to democracy as to whether or not to go ahead with the vote of the people. As we've seen in history sometimes the public is it's own worst enemy and may not be right about what they speculate will happen.

Factor 4: In reference to factor 1, David Cameron's successor will be elected and will be faced with the Article 50 decision, the majority of politicians at the heads of parties except for the leader of UKIP and the odd political party members believed in Vote Remain, this means that unless the leader of UKIP or Boris Johnson or anyone who supports Vote Leave is elected then there is high chance that his successor MAY NOT initiate the Article either as they have the freedom to do so thanks to (again) democracy and the Referendum not being legally binding. This means the politicians will have 4 months minimum to see and hear the effects of the referendum alone even BEFORE the UK leave. GBP has already fallen, companies from within the EU are deciding on whether to take their business elsewhere, Scotland & Ireland possibly going to host Referendums to limit the UK to only England and Wales, Jobs are at stake in the UK economy and another possible recession could be looming over the UK if Brexit officially goes ahead, and this is all within the first few DAYS of the Referendum, God knows what will happen in the next 4 months. The effects may make the newly elected PM rethink the decision and it would delay the decision until at least 2020 when the next General Election takes place. And by the time 2020 arrives the next PM and the government will have had 4 years to rethink the decision and even then may not choose to leave at all.

 

So guys this is just my take on it all, from information i've gathered I'd say this was pretty genius of Cameron and was a very smart move, of course I will not say all my information is undeniably 100% true or proven but I have faith in it. As a Vote Remain voter I think any other Vote Remain-ers here will agree that this is our best hope for us to prove that our Democracy is stronger than the Xenophobia overtaking the UK.

So thoughts guys?

[bionic 50,111]

I agree with you. I'm thinking they're putting it off as far as possible, then trying to call an early election where everybody will have 'remain in the EU' in their manifesto.

 

Notice how the pro-brexit politicians have disappeared since the result

[MJHolland 12,725]

Washington Post ran an article describing just that this morning. Interesting indeed. 

[brizoda 4,177]

this is so undemocratic

[bionic 50,111]

1 minute ago, brizoda said:

this is so undemocratic

The UK is a representative democracy.

[brizoda 4,177]

Just now, bionic said:

The UK is a representative democracy.

I am refering to not respecting the Leave vote

[hmm 979]

I don't know whether it would be intentional, none of the pro-Leavers seem keen on enacting article 50 immediately either so there would be no reason to Cameron to hastily do such a thing  Referenda aren't binding but I highly doubt that anyone in Westminster would try to dismiss the vote.

Holyrood is probably our best chance of keeping us in the EU, if there still is a chance. Sturgeon was talking just today about recommending that the Scottish Parliament vetoes the decision but it seems that neither she (nor any of the secretaries of states) know what legislation they're even referring to  

Time for Sinn Fein to end their policy of abstentionism and co-operate with the SNP so that the UK can actually have a left wing  . Obviously not gonna happen, but Corbyn's certainly not enthusiastic or convincing enough for the role. 

RE: Factor 1; Politicians lie and flip-flop on what they say all the time. His threat on immediately enacting article 50 was probably to keep people voting Remain, although calling him genius is a push - he's entirely to blame for the referendum even happening. 

[Florian 20,017]

This is just selfish from the UK. The EU will suffer from this period and so could the world, A new PM has to be chosen in the next days, not in October and Article 50 should be summoned directly

[gagzus 23,062]

33 minutes ago, hmm said:

Referenda aren't binding but I highly doubt that anyone in Westminster would try to dismiss the vote.

I see why you would say that, but on the contrary I believe enough evidence has been provided post-referenda to show that leaving the EU is not at all going to work. The first thing that happened was within the first few hours of the results being revealed- most pro-leave politicians went back on their word and exposed some of their claims neither work nor would come to fruition. Farrage's claim that the money we send to the EU at just over £350m a week (which in itself was nonsense since we give even less than half of that a week because as an economy we don't even make £350m weekly let alone pay it back) and the money would go into the NHS and public services was denied by him on Good Morning Britain- this was a massive selling point to most pro-leave voters, the claims that we would somehow have stricter migration rules went up in smoke when in Boris' speech during midday it was confirmed we would merely make them "fairer" not stricter. This again was another massive part of their propaganda to leave the EU.

Since then we've seen a lot of bad things; the value of GBP dropping by 10%, businesses threatening to take their business into other Euro countries, the uncertainty of the 2.2m Brits living abroad in Europe because we'd be out of the free movement act, a STRONG possibility of another recession which means rising costs of living, loss of jobs, lowering wages and much more and a big one; we'd be out of the Human Rights Act agreement so if we got a bigot in charge he/she could easily make gay marriage illegal again, give less legal protection to non-british offenders or those accused of crimes in our country the list goes on and on. All because of a Referendum.

I'm a firm believer in power to the people, but this is the one time I will say people are being irrational and I hope the HoC see that and realise (whomever may become the next PM) that leaving has FAR TOO MUCH risk as opposed to staying. If we stay, we have a chance of negotiation being one of the most powerful countries in the EU about our laws. Border control seems to play a massive part, we're apparently "overflowing" when only 40% of our land is built upon. We could easily make an extra 1-2m homes and still have space to make workplaces and crops.

But that's my opinion (backed up by some facts tho I may add)

[TiphEret 1,320]

Wow that's a very interesting topic thanks for sharing your thoughts!