AquaFire Witch 160 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 4 hours ago, KingRedd said: So Muslims are the only terrorist? What about columbine, sandy hook, the okc bombing of 1995.... Oh wait they're not Muslim sorry.... Did you know that 51% of British Muslims believe that being gay should be against the law? Of course those sick evil scum that committed those horror acts such as Sandy Hook, Columbine and Oklahoma should be dealt with too, but we are up against an ideology that spreads from Iraq to Britain and has now infiltrated the United States. Statistics show that every SINGLE hour a person is brutally murdered by the hands of Islamic terrorism. From Jun 04, 2016 - Jun 10, 2016, IN one week we have had 54 attacks, 420 killed, 412 injured, 7 suicide blasts with 15 countries affected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember 667 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Banning Muslims based on their religious belief is Unconstitutional, very immoral, and it's singling out a very large group of people, 80% of which are peaceful. It WILL NOT fix the problem, especially when many of them are already living in the United States, as citizens, just like the shooter in Orlando. First of all, we need the bill to pass that says a person who is on the Terror Watch list can not buy a firearm or fly on a plane. Secondly, we need more efficient surveillance! The Patriot Act allows the NSA to spy on every American without reason. When an agency like the NSA is watching hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of people each day, it is relatively ineffective to counter terrorism. The NSA needs to focus on a smaller amount of people so that they can actually pinpoint the individuals who may be planning an attack or may be thinking about or do join ISIS. Clearly, the Patriot Act has been very largely ineffective and needs to be replaced with a more intricate and focused approach. Banning Muslims is close minded, ineffective, Unconstitutional, and it will only cause more Muslims to radicalize because they realize that they are being singled out for an issue that is much more complex than Trump or his supporters will ever realize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 56 minutes ago, bombshell2nite said: Did you know that 51% of British Muslims believe that being gay should be against the law? Did you know that in America, Muslims are more likely to support gay marriage than Evangelical Christians? http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/13/in-america-muslims-are-more-likely-to-su about your British poll http://tellmamauk.org/why-the-latest-poll-wont-tell-us-what-all-british-muslims-actually-think/ http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_570badf0e4b0fa55639d65a9?edition=uk second thing, even if group x thinks homosexuality is "immoral", that doesn't make them potential killers and terrorists. USA is full of people with the same view, especially among Republicans/conservatives and many expressed their extreme views, because " free speech". Your other statistics have no source. Decide if you're gonna talk about American issue or the whole world, don't pick and choose. White American Christian was caught with explosives on his way to L.A. pride on the same day Orlando shooting happened. Far right terrorist just killed British MP. Here's statement from her husband, something to think about FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 53 minutes ago, Economy said: Only 3.3 million? U mean to say only 1% of your population is muslim? Lol in my area its easily 60% Canada wide tho maybe 10% to 20%. I dont know exact figures id have to search it up In Canada... 3.2 per cent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaFire Witch 160 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, YourSweet666 said: Did you know that in America, Muslims are more likely to support gay marriage than Evangelical Christians? http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/13/in-america-muslims-are-more-likely-to-su about your British poll http://tellmamauk.org/why-the-latest-poll-wont-tell-us-what-all-british-muslims-actually-think/ http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_570badf0e4b0fa55639d65a9?edition=uk second thing, even if group x thinks homosexuality is "immoral", that doesn't make them potential killers and terrorists. USA is full of people with the same view, especially among Republicans/conservatives and many expressed their extreme views, because " free speech". Your other statistics have no source. Decide if you're gonna talk about American issue or the whole world, don't pick and choose. White American Christian was caught with explosives on his way to L.A. pride on the same day Orlando shooting happened. Far right terrorist just killed British MP. Here's statement from her husband, something to think about My source is Milo Yiannopoulos who is a British citizen. You can google his research. I like him but he's certainly not the only place I get my info. And sorry I am not buying it. I've yet to find an Islamic teacher that says being gay is okay with Allah and Quran. I am not saying that the poll you linked didn't actually find Muslims who are okay with gays but I am questioning the actual teachings, what's being told in the Mosques.....And for me there is a big difference between a Christian not supporting gay marriage or not wanting to bake them a cake vs. going into a club and murdering a bunch of innocent people. I guess we can agree to disagree based on each others own opinion and research findings. That's really sad that lady Jo Cox, British MP was gunned down. I think any form of Terrorism should be dealt with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,162 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Radical Muslims are indiscriminate in their discrimination. They hate gay liberals ,conservative Christians, jews equally. They’ve certainly killed many more Christians than gays only because there are more Christians to kill in the first place, but they don’t grant preferential treatment to one group of infidels over the other. They see us all as their enemy, yet we cannot agree with each other that they are our enemy. They proceed to slaughter us without mercy, and we proceed to debate whether we should really fault them for slaughtering us. They are not trying to appease us, but the first thing many of us do in the moments after a fresh attack on our soil is self-righteously preach about the hazards of “Islamophobia.” The barbarians are at the gate and we hope to impress them with our unabiding tolerance. It’s not working. They just laugh and continue lopping heads off. They are united in their desire to exterminate us, and no amount of sucking up will change that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, AgusPop said: the majority of those people killed were Latinos like me. This guy has muslim name, just like the shooter, but he saved 60-70 lives that night FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, bombshell2nite said: And for me there is a big difference between a Christian not supporting gay marriage or not wanting to bake them a cake vs. going into a club and murdering a bunch of innocent people Are you saying American Christians never committed hate crimes against LGBT community before this? Do you remember Ted Cruz's pastor? Isn't that radical hate preaching? Are you actually saying that majority of Muslims would do what that shooter did? You can't be that ignorant. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Warhola 12,992 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, AgusPop said: Radical Muslims are indiscriminate in their discrimination. They hate gay liberals ,conservative Christians, jews equally. They’ve certainly killed many more Christians than gays only because there are more Christians to kill in the first place, but they don’t grant preferential treatment to one group of infidels over the other. They see us all as their enemy, yet we cannot agree with each other that they are our enemy. They proceed to slaughter us without mercy, and we proceed to debate whether we should really fault them for slaughtering us. They are not trying to appease us, but the first thing many of us do in the moments after a fresh attack on our soil is self-righteously preach about the hazards of “Islamophobia.” The barbarians are at the gate and we hope to impress them with our unabiding tolerance. It’s not working. They just laugh and continue lopping heads off. They are united in their desire to exterminate us, and no amount of sucking up will change that At least use quotation marks next time she's a party girl with a bad habit for drugs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 17 minutes ago, bombshell2nite said: there is a big difference between a Christian not supporting gay marriage or not wanting to bake them a cake vs. going into a club and murdering a bunch of innocent people Sorry, had to quote this again. There is also big difference between disliking abortion and shooting up Women clinics and killing innocent (and sometimes pregnant) women, yet we don't generalize and paint all conservative Christians with the same brush, do we? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaFire Witch 160 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just now, YourSweet666 said: Are you saying American Christians never committed hate crimes against LGBT community before this? Do you remember Ted Cruz's pastor? Isn't that radical hate preaching? Are you actually saying that majority of Muslims would do what that shooter did? You can't be that ignorant. I have made it known many times that I think there is terrorism on both sides, but I think at this day and age that Islamic terrorism is far more aggressive and wide spread. That's my findings. I am not ignorant at all. Did I say American Christians never committed any crimes? They commit them every day. See I can acknowledge that, but there are many many many many many people who won't recognize that there is radical Islamics killing and murdering. Last I checked it wasn't Christians in Iraq beheading people, it's radical Islamics murdering both Christians and Muslims. About Ted Cruz, yes his pastor is a radical but I haven't heard any stories about them telling people to go murder people because they won't submit to Jesus. Who knows maybe it's out there, I've just not found any evidence. Big difference between preaching hate and actually committing the act. I know if I was in church and they told me they were going to bomb some people, I'd excuse myself and go turn them in to the authorities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Andrew Warhola said: At least use quotation marks next time ahahaha #exposed FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, bombshell2nite said: About Ted Cruz, yes his pastor is a radical but I haven't heard any stories about them telling people to go murder people because they won't submit to Jesus. "Kill the gays" pastor? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3492289/Ted-Cruz-spoke-Christian-conference-pastor-introduced-just-calling-gays-EXECUTED.html http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8544540.html 4 minutes ago, bombshell2nite said: Last I checked it wasn't Christians in Iraq beheading people, it's radical Islamics murdering both Christians and Muslims. Bolded part, majority victims of terrorism, doesn't this make you think about your stance? Gangs and mafia in Latin America are Christians/Catholics who often torture and behead people, terrorize communities etc. The terror, hate and crimes against humanity don't have religion or creed. Killing innocent people in ME by drones, blowing them up to pieces is not any more humane, just saying. 11 minutes ago, bombshell2nite said: Big difference between preaching hate and actually committing the act Double standards. You just complained about what some mosques are preaching. Inciting hate leads to these crimes. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiphEret 1,320 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 hour ago, bombshell2nite said: My source is Milo Yiannopoulos who is a British citizen. You can google his research. I like him but he's certainly not the only place I get my info. And sorry I am not buying it. I've yet to find an Islamic teacher that says being gay is okay with Allah and Quran. I am not saying that the poll you linked didn't actually find Muslims who are okay with gays but I am questioning the actual teachings, what's being told in the Mosques.....And for me there is a big difference between a Christian not supporting gay marriage or not wanting to bake them a cake vs. going into a club and murdering a bunch of innocent people. I guess we can agree to disagree based on each others own opinion and research findings. That's really sad that lady Jo Cox, British MP was gunned down. I think any form of Terrorism should be dealt with. You refer to Milo? Because he is a British citizen? How does it gives him any credentials, that guy is a failed "journalist" that lives on sensationalism, just check his basic stances on feminism "as cancer" he loves to hate and provoke but he has O argument... Maybe if you had a less biased source your argument would hold but Milo is like sorry but this can't be taken seriously on a subject like Radical Islam in Britain! You talk about the mosques, how is it a problem that they may hate on gay when Christian churches do it as well? It's also in the Bible, how come we aren't applying the same standard to them and not consider them as extremist? And trust me I don't like radical islamist, and I think the way they use a book to preach hate is ridiculous, there is a big issue but at the same time you can't just focus on them while ignoring Christians and not even mentioning the current political context over there which plays a huge part. Sur le sable sur la neige, Sur les images dorées,Sur le front de mes amis, J’écris ton nom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,860 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 3 hours ago, notamember said: Because Republicans won't let he bill that says "Individuals who are on the terror watch list can not buy guns" pass. That's why. It's not Obama's fault. Democrats have been trying to pass this law for quite a while now. In this situation, this bill would have definitely prevented this man from purchasing a firearm. Trump JUST NOW said something about it, he isnt he good guy here. That would make little difference anyway if someone cant buy guns at stores but most people can, then its easy to get someone else to buy it for them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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