JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 3 hours ago, Psychedelic said: Cher can barely move her head when she is on stage the other 2 sound about right Reveal hidden contents Janet abuses lipsync just as much as Britney tho I quoted a comment that said name another 50+ who has energy, stage presence and attitude. I gave three names. No need to give shade. I didn't shade Madonna. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJH219 4,448 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 1 hour ago, HugoMonster said: What a boring version of Borderline that just showcases how terribly nasal her live vocals have become. At times it even feels awkward because she wanted to do more than just be standing there (because the song itself demands that!). The song is very neutral (in forum terms, 'basic') when it comes to vocals, it's not Mariah Carey-type of song with a strong and bold vocal structure where she doesn't need to move to impress and could let the performance be vocal-driven. So yeah, a little dancing routine or just a little faster version could save up this! Madonna, you're a living legend performer, not a vocal act, stop trying to make it happen. You can be better than this! Another pathetic try hard attempt to drag this amazing performance. Get a life 'All our dreams can come true IF we have the courage to pursue them'-Walt Disney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 awful, she sounds bad even when she's just standing there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 On 6/11/2016 at 10:10 PM, just4fun said: Cher, Tina Turner, Janet Jackson, Cher doesn't dance and Janet doesn't sing! LMAO! Janet is known for her lip syncing, she just mumbles in between songs a bit and wears nothing but futuristic looking potato sacks these days because her husband allegedly doesn't want her to be "vulgar" anymore. And yes, Tina Turner has kept it together but let's face it, she just celebrated her legacy (with a lot less hit singles and impact than Madonna) for the last decades of her career. She can still do the Proud Mary choreo and they make that song last about 20 minutes, the rest of her show is pretty much walking side to side on the stage with minimum choreography. She has a particular sound, which is incredible, don't get me wrong, but she is not on the pop-side of things and is not known for her different "eras". She's known as Tina Turner, the legendary Tina. But she didn't do a classic musical and follow it up with an ambient trance record like Madonna for instance, Madonna's more eclectic. So when you go see Madonna, you get it all. Many different genres of music mashed together, she's still making music so her shows are not just trips down memory lane, her oldies are for the greater part also re-invented for every tour... There's simply no comparing. Let's not even talk about Cyndi Lauper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 On 6/12/2016 at 3:02 AM, 15jocart said: I'm sorry but this could be the worst argument against someone being racist I've ever seen. Not that Madonna is racist, but none of these white-savior arguments are proof of that (especially the "dating many African-American and Hispanic men ). Nothing against you at all but I'd just like to let you know that these are definitely not proof that one is or is not racist; the black sound is borderline appropriative but I'd have to look at the context. Oh please. What the hell are you on about? If she was racist, how could she have a daughter with a Latino man? How could she adopt two African children and how could she've dated men pretty much of every skin color, ethnicity and faith? Those are not white-savior arguments. They are proof. Someone can be ignorant towards others and have an African American partner for instance, sure. But in the core of it, I personally define a racist as someone who believes that people who's skin color/ethnicity/faith is different to theirs should be treated differently or with less respect than others. And you can't really do that when you have African children now, can you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
15jocart 2,305 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 48 minutes ago, jojuun said: Oh please. What the hell are you on about? If she was racist, how could she have a daughter with a Latino man? How could she adopt two African children and how could she've dated men pretty much of every skin color, ethnicity and faith? Those are not white-savior arguments. They are proof. Someone can be ignorant towards others and have an African American partner for instance, sure. But in the core of it, I personally define a racist as someone who believes that people who's skin color/ethnicity/faith is different to theirs should be treated differently or with less respect than others. And you can't really do that when you have African children now, can you? I'm not gonna get too deep into this because you're a stranger on the internet but your definition of racism is not an actual definition lol, racism is systemic But being friends with/dating/having a child with a person of color (POC) does not making you not racist. You can have black friends but still systemically oppress black people. I'm not saying Madonna is a racist woman but your particular arguments do not prove that. For more info, try reading this article. Been a long time but I'm back in town, and this time I'm not leaving without you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 11 hours ago, jojuun said: Cher doesn't dance and Janet doesn't sing! LMAO! Janet is known for her lip syncing, she just mumbles in between songs a bit and wears nothing but futuristic looking potato sacks these days because her husband allegedly doesn't want her to be "vulgar" anymore. And yes, Tina Turner has kept it together but let's face it, she just celebrated her legacy (with a lot less hit singles and impact than Madonna) for the last decades of her career. She can still do the Proud Mary choreo and they make that song last about 20 minutes, the rest of her show is pretty much walking side to side on the stage with minimum choreography. She has a particular sound, which is incredible, don't get me wrong, but she is not on the pop-side of things and is not known for her different "eras". She's known as Tina Turner, the legendary Tina. But she didn't do a classic musical and follow it up with an ambient trance record like Madonna for instance, Madonna's more eclectic. So when you go see Madonna, you get it all. Many different genres of music mashed together, she's still making music so her shows are not just trips down memory lane, her oldies are for the greater part also re-invented for every tour... There's simply no comparing. Let's not even talk about Cyndi Lauper. Please don't respond to my comments. You are a weird Madonna fanatic. I've already responded to a comment very similar to this. Just browse the pages on the thread. Have a nice day. Cher isn't a trained dancer but she had an Emmy winning Variety show where she danced and sang live week to week. She can handle choreography if she wants but she isn't dependent on it like some other artists. Janet Jackson has a great voice. She's no Whitney but she is better than Madonna. and your Tina Turner comment is just embarrassing. Please educate yourself. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel 41,495 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 9:15 PM, AJH219 said: Another pathetic try hard attempt to drag this amazing performance. Get a life Unnecessary and rude. If you can't endure constructive criticism for your fave (being me a Madonna fan too, so no, I'm not a hater neither a blind fan), then don't read it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 15 hours ago, just4fun said: Please don't respond to my comments. You are a weird Madonna fanatic. I've already responded to a comment very similar to this. Just browse the pages on the thread. Have a nice day. Cher isn't a trained dancer but she had an Emmy winning Variety show where she danced and sang live week to week. She can handle choreography if she wants but she isn't dependent on it like some other artists. Janet Jackson has a great voice. She's no Whitney but she is better than Madonna. and your Tina Turner comment is just embarrassing. Please educate yourself. Girlfriend I can quote whomever I want, thats the purpose of a discussion board, which we're on in case you haven't noticed... And I'm not a "deluded" Madonna fanatic who will defend her no matter what. For instance, I think she was dead wrong for using the N-word on Instagram and there's some songs in her discography where I think "in what world did she think this would make a great track on an album?" and I could go on. I'm not a blind sheep. But you are contradicting yourself. I said in my post "find me another 50+ popstar with Madonna's energy, stage presence and attitude" and YOU quoted ME saying Cher, Janet and Tina. And I disputed that and now you are quoting me with a Cher performance from 38 (!!!) years ago and a few of the rare times Janet did a ballad live in the nineties, that's not the purpose. Those are not recent performances and definitely not performances of 50+ year old performers. It's just facts, you can stay pressed. Janet Jackson has never done an up-beat song completely live, end of story. Sometimes she whispers over the very heavy backing track, that's it. Where do you think Britney's team got the idea from all those years ago? Cher is not a dancer, period. Cher goes from side to side on the stage and since Believe her career has been never-ending Farewell tours and movies she's too good for but stars in anyway just for the buzz. Don't even get met started on that last tragedy of an album she put out. I love her loads but you gotta be honest if you're really going to compare careers here. And I AM educated on Tina Turner, I even saw her live! Just like Cher, she's been on never-ending farewell tours and she hasn't put out a new studio album since 1999. Her first Farewell Tour was in 1990 and her last one in 2009. And there is NO cohesive choreography outside of Proud Mary in her final tour called "Tina!: 50th Anniversary Tour". The Proud Mary performance of that final tour (I just watched it) clocks in at a good 17 minutes, which makes it 1/8th of the entire show. She IS incredibly energetic and is a gorgeous woman, I'm not blind, but she is not the disciplinarian Madonna obviously is. And she's not eclectic. She's got a sound and she always sorta stuck to that. Meanwhile Madonna has released ambient techno albums, a disco record, several dance records, acoustic driven records and classic musical soundtrack albums all under the same umbrella of "pop music". Tina isn't a popstar, really. Tina is a generation before Madonna and she's known as Tina Turner, Queen of Rock N' Roll more than a pop act at all. There is no comparing. Madonna is the ONLY female pop act from her generation that's still standing, period. Cher is a generation before and she doesn't dance like, at all. Tina is also a generation before and isn't really a pop star. Tina also hasn't brought new stuff to the table for the last part of her career (her last record was 26 years ago) and is now only renowned because she can still do the Proud Mary routine all those years later. Janet Jackson took years off from her career after her Discipline record and is now showcasing the more sloppy version of the same moves she's always done but only while showing her face and hands because her husband is allegedly embarrassed of her past. Cyndi Lauper is doing country and blues albums now and is only semi-relevant, Whitney has sadly left us and all of the others from that time have simply slipped into irrelevancy. Please DO quote me and tell me where I'm wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 16,083 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 i watched it and i can already tell without scrolling from page 1 that the gays on here love it even though it's terrible. d Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale101 99 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 5 hours ago, gagzus said: i watched it and i can already tell without scrolling from page 1 that the gays on here love it even though it's terrible. d and we all could tell just by your user name that you're ready to rim gaga's hole clean at any moment......and you were getting ready to bash Madonna as soon and you read the title of the thread. How transparent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga Monster 13,001 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 She was amazing!! GGD Presidential Elections Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eros92 2,513 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Far better then the Billboard Music performance. It's just... her voice. I mean she can sing. It's very apparent here that she can carry a tone. But it's just so wavy and and I feel like it's coming from her throat. I just feel like she needs to retrain her voice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexxx 2,244 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I loved the performance! I love the new rendition with the background singers and the jazzy tune. Really enjoyed it. Lady Gaga/ Madonna/Lana /Azealia Banks/ Jazmine Sullivan/ DEEE-LITE/ Moko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausAlly 799 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 the way Jimmy Fallon yelled Madonna makes me worry the haemorrhoid on his asshole popped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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