Did you read comments on Gaga @ Actors on Actors?

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I highly reccomend the book "The Outsiders" to anyone that hasn't read it. It really opens you up to the realization that peoples personal issues are a lot different when you're in different shoes. Sure, an egg is still an egg if you're rich or poor, but that egg could mean a meal if it's all you have.

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Oh this thread got big.
Did not expect this 

[Bolkins 4,125]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/04/lady-gaga-moans-that-fame-is-the-most-isolating-experience-in-the-world-5924289/#mv-a

[Bradley 59,023]

Still doesn't change the fact that she's a successful musician.

[Yanko 9,860]

they didnt lie 

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6 hours ago, Sir Stansalot said:

 

 

Alight then perfect I'll go get a bunch of people to take a sh*t on me on a stage and then call it ART.

and lbr, if anyone else had been puked on you wouldn't be defending it at all so that's kind of hypocritical of you.

If that's your perception of art, then you can go ahead and take a bunch of people on stage to sh*t on you. Art, like I said, is a form of self-expression and anything you can think of can qualify as art in one way or another. 

Lastly, I'm defending Gaga because she's inherently a creative individual whose perception and thoughts about art go beyond social norms and wanting to "fit inside a box". She's the kind of person who would spend hours upon hours theorizing and analyzing a black dot on a white canvas, it's just who she is.

I would defend art so long as it's purposeful and has meaning to the artist. That performance had meaning to Gaga, and so it's art, who are you to say what's art and what's not? 

[Kayla 7,595]

8 hours ago, giskardsb said:

We should remember that the inability to really deal with Fame,  and possibly turning to drugs as a coping mechanism, has killed quite a number of artists, including MJ and Amy Winehouse, and many others through history.  Depression, Isolation, the huge pressure for huge success, and the feeling of being unable to cope don't change by how much money you happen to have.  Gaga has literally hundreds of people that depend on her, you think she doesn't feel that?

Gaga is empathic and emotional.  She put on a front for a long time, but that was obviously just that, a front.  Trying to convince her she should go back to putting on the act when it clearly was the wrong thing for her is more damaging than anything else.  Gaga is who she is now, and fans need to accept that for her own mental health she had to change her approach.

 

This is an excellent point to bring up. When we've seen so many artists overdose and come out expressing how hard being famous is shouldn't it be a clear and obvious message that the lifestyle isn't exactly sunshine and rainbows?

It's understandable that people would be upset a person with so much financial security is complaining about how hard her life is, but there are so many problems a person can have unrelated to money. And yes- struggling financially makes other issues harder to deal with, but Gaga also has problems that a typical person won't have to ever face. 

For example, have you ever been out and saw someone you know but don't want to talk to? Imagine experiencing that every single time you go out - anywhere - but it's not people you know and don't want to talk to, it's people you don't know that want to talk to you. Wanna hang out on a beach? Be prepared to have photographers taking your picture and then watch yourself end up on the tabloids where people talk about your belly fat and question if you're pregnant. 

Cyber-bullying has pushed some teens into suicide- imagine if it wasn't just a couple shitty kids giving you a hard time, but literally thousands of people. 

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14 hours ago, Sir Stansalot said:

Please don't defend the puking thing. it was seriously not okay  That's not ART. That's clickbait

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not art. Art is not about whether or not you like it.

And truthfully- some art sucks. Some art is pretentious, some art is cringe-worthy, some art is trying too hard. 

So instead of insisting something isn't art, it's better to just say you don't like it. A garden is still a garden, no matter how much you hate the vegetables growing inside.

[Didymus 34,379]

Some of the vitriol is undeserved (they gave her a platform to talk about her opinions and she did, it's not like she's complaining about fame at an AIDS convention), but as pointed out, she sort of created this backlash herself by pretending she never wanted to be famous, as if it's something that was done to her and this isn't the first time, her Instagram account where she cites Jean-Paul Sartre referred to the same thing.

This is of course flat out wrong and indeed an embarrassing move for Gaga. Yes, she did want to be famous, as clear from a mountain of implicit and explicit evidence to be gathered over the years. We all know you signed a 360 deal, Gaga, you're not fooling anyone. If she had just stated that her point of view about fame changed after she worked her ass off for it, a lot of these comments wouldn't have been made.

Now, to respond to the people talking about the meat dress, etc., don't exaggerate. That meat dress had nothing to do with making a statement, since she already wore a similar meat outfit on the cover of Japanese Vogue months before, without any motive of the sort. While her statement was admirable, it was undoubtedly slapped on at the last minute, which is all the more obvious because the dress she actually wore when the gay soldiers were on the red carpet with her was just McQueen high fashion and not the meat dress Her "explanation" of that meat dress was ridiculous, uninspired, and contradictive anyway

So I dunno. I don't like how extreme both parties go, it's not either Gaga is a whining, arrogant bitch who's money-hungry and has nothing to say, but it's not necessarily Gaga's aims are 100% pure and admirable and she cares about nothing else than to make daring, avant-la-lettre statements to change society and artistic expression either. That's not even a good defense, since if that was her true aim, she'd never have put up with this commercial dimension in her career at all.

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3 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Some of the vitriol is undeserved (they gave her a platform to talk about her opinions and she did, it's not like she's complaining about fame at an AIDS convention), but as pointed out, she sort of created this backlash herself by pretending she never wanted to be famous, as if it's something that was done to her and this isn't the first time, her Instagram account where she cites Jean-Paul Sartre referred to the same thing.

This is of course flat out wrong and indeed an embarrassing move for Gaga. Yes, she did want to be famous, as clear from a mountain of implicit and explicit evidence to be gathered over the years. We all know you signed a 360 deal, Gaga, you're not fooling anyone. If she had just stated that her point of view about fame changed after she worked her ass off for it, a lot of these comments wouldn't have been made.

Now, to respond to the people talking about the meat dress, etc., don't exaggerate. That meat dress had nothing to do with making a statement, since she already wore a similar meat outfit on the cover of Japanese Vogue months before, without any motive of the sort. While her statement was admirable, it was undoubtedly slapped on at the last minute, which is all the more obvious because the dress she actually wore when the gay soldiers were on the red carpet with her was just McQueen high fashion and not the meat dress Her "explanation" of that meat dress was ridiculous, uninspired, and contradictive anyway

I'm finally seeing the point you've been trying to make recently about these statements. Pretty much everything she did prior to the start of the Cheek to Cheek era was screaming "give me attention because I'm famous." You don't have someone vomit on you just for fun, or go on some Twitter tirades to promote your new single, or do any of the things she's done if (deep down) you didn't want to be thrown into the headlines   

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13 minutes ago, AJH219 said:

I'm finally seeing the point you've been trying to make recently about these statements. Pretty much everything she did prior to the start of the Cheek to Cheek era was screaming "give me attention because I'm famous." You don't have someone vomit on you just for fun, or go on some Twitter tirades to promote your new single, or do any of the things she's done if (deep down) you didn't want to be thrown into the headlines   

Well, it's a mix I think. There's no way someone signs a 360 deal if they don't want to become famous. She's now acting like she just wanted to have a creative career and this all just happened to her, but she actively worked to get where she is now, to a remarkable degree which shows both extreme persistence but also an unmistakable desire to be the world's most discussed artist, i.e. a desire for mass exposure.

However, it's not a lie that she does present concepts, that she can explain her choices and performances etc. in an artistic light, and it's probably genuine for the most part, but that doesn't mean she doesn't start developing those concepts by thinking about what's gonna get the biggest buzz first. There's no way you can end up with a meat dress after a brainstorm about what kind of outfit could represent the struggles of the LGBT community, which is probably why her explanation for the dress was so wonky. The meat came first (which is also factually true since she wore a meat bikini already completely removed from the context of LGBT support), the message later, both for their own separate purposes. I'm guessing the same counts for nearly all of her creative work.

And there's nothing wrong with that until you're gonna claim you did absolutely nothing to receive this kind of fame in the first place. I mean, holy ****, woman you called yourself a "master of fame" back in the day, saying your biggest artwork was the "art of fame". Not even that long ago. It's not cool to flip the script and reinvent yourself now as someone who's actually genuinely wanting to be an artist despite living in a mansion. I get that she's trying to do that now to reinvent her image, but for someone like me who knows her career intimately, and remembers a lot of her statements and aspirations, it's a really uninspired, ugly move, and I'm not above considering she's only doing it for commercial gain, to top off the irony completely

But anyway, it's just an irrelevant tactic in the end. If the product she delivers is satisfying, I'll be happy

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personally, I dislike that part of her too, always complaining about something

[ashamednudist 164]

she made a statement with meat dress (and puke performance),  whether its ridiculous or not.

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She has emotion and is at least brave enough to do this stuff #artqueen 

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19 hours ago, lmxoxo said:

"Lady Gaga, go become a cop, a teacher, a firefighter, an emt, social worker, etc. I promise you that you will feel fulfilled. I promise you that no one will use you and you will help human beings at their worst."

I'm pretty sure saving lives, injecting confidence and inspiring people is helping humans at their worst. All those professions are admirable, but if 1 person says "Lady Gaga saved my life/helped me" then I'm pretty damn sure that should be admirable too. Just because she's a pop star doesn't mean she cannot help people. 

As for the rest, I agree with most of the comments in this thread. She wanted to be famous, that's clear as day. As someone said it would be much easier if she just elaborated how fame isn't all the glitz and glamour she expected and dreamed about before experiencing it. But then again this is Lady Gaga, she's a walking contradiction.