Bambino 24,283 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 27 minutes ago, Didymus said: She made those albums when she didn't care (that much) about satisfying her fans, under no external pressure, and just releasing it when she wanted. Didn't she say something like everything she did before she got a new manager didn't feel real and that she felt like she was a toy or something like that, tho? Where does the pressure come from if not from her label? No matter how much her fans complain, she still wouldn't feel pressured by them because if she did she'd give them the DWUW video, for example. But she seemed confident and she was going strong making pop music and putting on controversial clothes. Now she seems undecided and she doesn't really know what and who to satisfy; her fans, the public, her label, her artistry and talent... etc. The last time she tried to satisfy all of those we got ARTPOP and it became a mess. Imo there some important factors why those albums were successful, like she was a new artist, and everything she did was shocking and new to the public and people waited for what she was going to do next. But then Katy, Rihanna, Beyonce also found tendency to be artistic and deep while keeping it safe music wise (unlike Gaga) and things just got boring not very interesting from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varo Yan 2,984 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Watching the last interview "Actors on Actors", I think she want that we accept her as a friend, relative, close person with normal relationship, and NOT as music MACHINE! ALMOST everyone want from her what their want themsels, make them pleasure, fun, and they dont understand Gaga's person, her inside, what she feel, her emotions and pains..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewful2929 786 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Here's my thoughts the very thing that made gaga special to me was the connections she had with fans. No one else ever had this, and that's how she became so big. Fans felt like they could relate to her, and found a bound in that. She is slowly starting to change and loose everything that made her gaga. She is loosing that honest feel, and it's hard. When you're a fan of someone it's just that you like them, but when all things change in the person you liked then what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Just now, Bambino said: Didn't she say something like everything she did before she got a new manager didn't feel real and that she felt like she was a toy or something like that, tho? She said she started to feel like a robot who just had to give everything what they wanted, yes. From recent comments I'd say that period extends from 2010 to the end of 2013. 1 minute ago, Bambino said: Now she seems undecided and she doesn't really know what and who to satisfy; her fans, the public, her label, her artistry and talent... etc. The last time she tried to satisfy all of those we got ARTPOP and it all became a mess. True.. Then again, she might have had a change of heart. As we now heard, RedOne's songs catered to the fans' wishes but now it seems that Ronson took over the whole album production, and he seems to paint a very different picture of LG5. I think by now she knows what she wants. If not, Ronson would never have said they hoped to release the album by the end of the year. But it might be true that she had to search for a bit to find out what it really is that she wants. You know, she can always make music but that's not the same as releasing something with your name on it. She doesn't have to do that for money now. But then what is she gonna do? I think that might have been a source of uncertainty for a bit. But I think she's got it together now. 3 minutes ago, Bambino said: Imo there some important factors why those albums were successful like she was a new artist, and everything she did was shocking and new to the public and people waited for what she was going to do next but then Katy, Rihanna, Beyonce also found tendency to be artistic and deep while keeping it safe music wise and things just got boring not very interesting from there. Agreed. And what all those artists have in common is that they don't talk about their work, but let it speak for itself. And I'm sure that's why Gaga is shutting the up this time and making sure the concept is as strong as the music Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino 24,283 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 25 minutes ago, Didymus said: Agreed. And what all those artists have in common is that they don't talk about their work, but let it speak for itself. And I'm sure that's why Gaga is shutting the up this time and making sure the concept is as strong as the music So do you think that Gaga should've let ARTPOP speak for its concept rather than all of the things she said about it prior to its release? Imo even if she never spoke about it, things would be still the same because she got problems with the management and lost interest in it really soon and that didn't have anything to do with how the public reacted to the album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 36 minutes ago, Didymus said: Ikr That's the ultimate irony. She made those albums when she didn't care (that much) about satisfying her fans, under no external pressure, and just releasing it when she wanted. It's kind of ironic that many fans want to go back to that glory era since, if anything, Gaga's literally saying she's working in the same way again. Ofc the music will be different, but that shouldn't matter per se, unless you're a fan that probably needs to switch to another more repetitive fav The pressure then was just to make it. That was her primary driver at the time. And it was a stylistic shift when Fusari couldn't sell her as a singer songwriter rock oriented type. There was a lot of pressure to figure out a success formula. Now, to me it wasn't a "sell out" on her part as much as a "buy in" and she took it and ran with it. But that particular driver is gone now and she has other artistic motivations. Unfortunately Gaga entered in her Ziggy Stardust phase and it is hard to shake because so many fans imprinted on that as the true definition of Gaga.Its understandable though. But you don't have to go very far back pre-Fame to get her original artistic intentions. Of course her artistic interest is overall malleable and wide ranging. To many of us that makes her alot more interesting. But to those imprinted on Ziggy Gaga it's frustrating. But they really need to make peace with it because Gaga is a chaotic creative and prone to change. It someone needs a pop star that does everything "right" by pop standards, she ain't it, and never will be. She doesn't want to be Taylor Swift, undisputed queen of pop. She want to be Gaga, free to roam all media and genre as inspiration takes her. Most people don't get opportunity to explore all aspects of their capability, so I enjoy watching Gaga test herself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Bambino said: So do you think that Gaga should've let ARTPOP speak for its concept rather than all of the things she said about it prior to its release? Imo even if she never spoke about it, things would be still the same because she got problems with the management and lost interest in it really soon and that didn't have anything to do with how the public reacted to the album. I think she should have, but indeed, that wouldn't have made a difference, except that some of the early backlash (reverse Warholian claptrap) would never have happened. But lbr, that album was not an expression of her potential. I don't see BTW like that either, just her first two records. But she did overexpose herself during TFM already mo, so I'm still hoping that even if the album is amazing, she lets the product speak for itself most of all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, giskardsb said: The pressure then was just to make it. That was her primary driver at the time. And it was a stylistic shift when Fusari couldn't sell her as a singer songwriter rock oriented type. There was a lot of pressure to figure out a success formula. Now, to me it wasn't a "sell out" on her part as much as a "buy in" and she took it and ran with it. But that particular driver is gone now and she has other artistic motivations. Unfortunately Gaga entered in her Ziggy Stardust phase and it is hard to shake because so many fans imprinted on that as the true definition of Gaga.Its understandable though. But you don't have to go very far back pre-Fame to get her original artistic intentions. Of course her artistic interest is overall malleable and wide ranging. To many of us that makes her alot more interesting. But to those imprinted on Ziggy Gaga it's frustrating. But they really need to make peace with it because Gaga is a chaotic creative and prone to change. It someone needs a pop star that does everything "right" by pop standards, she ain't it, and never will be. She doesn't want to be Taylor Swift, undisputed queen of pop. She want to be Gaga, free to roam all media and genre as inspiration takes her. Most people don't get opportunity to explore all aspects of their capability, so I enjoy watching Gaga test herself. I don't agree with everything, but I do with most And in any case, I'd be a lot happier if there were more fans like this. Agreed completely about her "Ziggy Gaga" phase tho. I just wish she would've skipped the Mother Monster fan worship phase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Real Gaga 7,545 Posted June 4, 2016 Author Share Posted June 4, 2016 Okay guys. I think I completely misread this whole thing. If I read all your replies and your interpretations of Gaga's statement, I fully agree with her. Sorry, I'm too stupid sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,588 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 It's not so much that he hates her fans, it's just that she wants to genuinely connect with them. Gaga's always said this, she doesn't be looked at as someone who's better than anyone else, she's a 'regular, normal human being'. All she wants is to be on the "same level" as her fans and Little Monsters, not placed on a higher pedestal. She's definitely not "done with us" though. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teenage 4 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 i think that its enough we put her under soo much pressure. remember the reason we first liked her is because of her music the album in which lady gaga made without pressure from peoples and contain her opinion alone. i love Joanne and The cure and gaga only goes back to her true self where she writes any song she wants. don't complain about the song genre remember our idol is always changing.. so as a fan of her we should support her decision, if you hate her remember why you like her in the first place. remember gaga is human too like us thats why she's not flawless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie14 4,828 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Can someone translate this interview please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DISZKO 787 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 some of u guys really need a reality check Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilla 13,384 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 This is a year old, for continuity's sake and without opening a can of worms, please continue discussions in younger threads. Thanks! 𝙸'𝚖 𝚊 𝚓𝚘𝚛𝚝𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚓𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚎𝚜 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚐𝚒𝚛𝚕. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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