Chelseaaaaaa 1,453 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I really like and agree with everything she said while talking to Jamie Lee Curtis but I do think there's a huge source of hypocrisy in her words. I don't know why it's unacceptable for fans to want a photo with you but fellow celebs are just fine. Just look at Gaga's Insta. She has taken photos with countless celebrities; many that she has a casual correspondence with. I highly doubt she has had intellectual conversations with Justin Bieber or Lana Del Rey for instance but there's still a lot of photographic evidence. Same goes for Beck. It's evident she's a huge fan of his and went out of her way for their first picture together. Is that no different than when a fan asks HER for a picture? Is it suddenly not a problem because she's famous? It seems like she now holds celebs and her fans to a different standard. It's also safe to say that many celebs can want something for her like a stranger on the street. If you don't engage in thorough conversation that doesn't mean you don't care about her. Anyone that has waited to meet her (whether it's a hotel, apartment, or concert venue) knows it's difficult to even reach eye contact with her. A conversation would be fascinating but a lot of people are happy enough just to have a photo with their favorite artist. I do not comprehend the problem with that. Also, you can't expect me to believe a low tier artist taking a photo with Gaga isn't automatically doing so for brownie points. We just don't know. The same goes for fans. I am lucky enough to have met Lady Gaga at a bar in NYC a few years ago. I didn't ask for a photo. We didn't have much conversation, either. It was a brief but lovely exchange. It makes me wonder what she'd be like to come across now in a similar setting. I've always wanted a photo with her but now I'm hesitant to even ask if the opportunity presents itself. I know Gaga tends to contradict herself a lot regardless but this particular subject is a little vexing to me. For a few months, she snapchatted her entire existence consistently but she's complaining that someone taking a selfie has just killed the moment? It's bizarre to take issue with living solely through a digital world then document your daily life through social media. Again: I believe LG has a lot of solid points about fame culture and the way fans perceive artists. Many fans act like they own Gaga (just take a look at this forum...) and only care about what they can obtain from her. Unfortunately, it seems as if her current thoughts overlap with the way she has been treated by fans for years. It started at the BTWB: stealing from her dressing room, asking her rude questions, selling her autographs on eBay, etc. Since then, a lot of fans turned their back on her one way or another and she really saw "Little Monsters" for who they are. This evidently doesn't include everyone but definitely a large bunch. Gagz believed we'd be behind her forever with endless adoration and nothing could change that; we proved her wrong. It is only expected that as a result the relationship between her & this fanbase would change. I don't anticipate her claiming we're her lifeline anymore nor do I even expect her want to take pictures with fans all day, every day. Our girl is NOT a mannequin without thoughts or feelings. All I am asking for is some balance here. I think, at the very least, Gaga should practice what she preaches. I'm not sure if this example of hypocrisy showcases her ability to be VERY out of touch at times or she's merely a paradox when the topic allows. Either or is plausible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers 29,667 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 If she only posed with the A list, I would agree with you. I think people recognize that she only does it with people she "digs". It's a bit narcissistic, thinking that every would want your seal of approval. But it seems like they do? Remember to like and subscribe, and click on the bell icon to get the latest updates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 13,385 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I find the whole "fans only wanna take a pic with me and not have a convo" line a bit perplexing. I'm sure we'd all love a decent convo with you, Gaga. But let's be realistic - is that really going to happen to some random Joe who has just met you on the streets? I'm pretty sure your security wouldn't be here for that Also.. 13 minutes ago, Chelsea Symona said: Many fans act like they own Gaga (just take a look at this forum...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid 6,755 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 If I met Gaga now I'd be too ashamed to ask for a photo it's sad because I know she'd never have enough time to sit and have a conversation with me, which I would love more than anything. A picture would be the best memory I could get with her but if she really hates it that much I would literally feel awful for trying to push it on her ...ıllıllı c h e r r y c h e r r y b o o m b o o m ıllıllı... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperIz 7,346 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I don't like that either, I mean yes we want a picture with her why is that bad? Why does it have to kill the moment when it's a big part of the moment for the fan? I just don't get it. She's criticizing technology as if it wasn't a big staple of her image at the beginning of her career? I'm conflicted Human generated art Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisTEAne 21,059 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 omg, this not-taking-a-picture thing is going to be misinterpreted as i hate taking pictures with fans forever now. she doesn't hate taking those selfies. she knows how much fans appreciate and love that. she knows that it's a memory that they'll cherish forever. she'd never take that away from her fans. what she said is that she would love nothing more than have a conversation with her fans. 'would,' meaning that she knows that that's not how fame culture works; that's the reason why she'd like to change it. context, guys... context. if you hurt taylor swift, i'll hurt you back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseaaaaaa 1,453 Posted June 4, 2016 Author Share Posted June 4, 2016 Just now, T E A said: omg, this not-taking-a-picture thing is going to be misinterpreted as i hate taking pictures with fans forever now. she doesn't hate taking those selfies. she knows how much fans appreciate and love that. she knows that it's a memory that they'll cherish forever. she'd never take that away for her fans. what she said is that she would love nothing more than have a conversation with her fans. 'would,' meaning that she knows that that's not how fame culture works; that's the reason why she'd like to change it. context, guys... context. I get that. My comprehension skills are just fine. She IS criticizing selfie culture and the way some fans go about it, though. That is why she also complained about being put on a pedestal (which I understand) and made the claim that fame is isolating. Each statement is connected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadOfAbyss 597 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I wonder if she is just referring to random people on the street wanting to take selfies with her. Like maybe when she sees fans with like a CD of hers she doesn't mind signing it because she knows who her fans are. Either way her disliking some of the things that come with fame are understandable, but I still agree with some of what the op says. I am as vain as I allow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole 1,809 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 She isn't criticising fans wanting a photo with her, she is criticising fans who treat her like an animal in a zoo. It takes two seconds to ask if she doesn't mind taking a picture. I don't blame her for hating having someone walking up to you, expecting at least a "hello" but instead get pulling in for a selfie, with no verbal exchange whatsoever. I understand in hotel situations where there are lots of fans, many will say "you don't have time" etc but that's bullshit. I would be more inclined to take a couple of pics with ppl who had the decency to ask/be patient. Even when she's taking time outside a hotel etc purely to take pictures, a simple "how are you" or a genuine "thank you" can do wonders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warholiness 927 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 No shade, but she only converses with a select group of fans (ya'll know who I'm talking about) and they drag her behind her back, so I would rather take a selfie than talk with people who smile in my face but shade me afterward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisTEAne 21,059 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 7 minutes ago, Nicole said: She isn't criticising fans wanting a photo with her, she is criticising fans who treat her like an animal in a zoo. It takes two seconds to ask if she doesn't mind taking a picture. I don't blame her for hating having someone walking up to you, expecting at least a "hello" but instead get pulling in for a selfie, with no verbal exchange whatsoever. I understand in hotel situations where there are lots of fans, many will say "you don't have time" etc but that's bullshit. I would be more inclined to take a couple of pics with ppl who had the decency to ask/be patient. Even when she's taking time outside a hotel etc purely to take pictures, a simple "how are you" or a genuine "thank you" can do wonders. but those are just lil babies who want to jump into the fame monster enclosure. why is it, then, that it's the fame monster herself that is shot down? because she dragged those lil babies? don't you agree, @Jase? Spoiler in all seriousness, i fully agree. but this whole thing is going to be gravely misinterpreted, i can already see it. if you hurt taylor swift, i'll hurt you back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagata 695 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 or she gonna be like JB, no taking pic with fans , i don't care much, just want her being herself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo Ga 15,314 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 40 minutes ago, T E A said: omg, this not-taking-a-picture thing is going to be misinterpreted as i hate taking pictures with fans forever now. she doesn't hate taking those selfies. she knows how much fans appreciate and love that. she knows that it's a memory that they'll cherish forever. she'd never take that away from her fans. what she said is that she would love nothing more than have a conversation with her fans. 'would,' meaning that she knows that that's not how fame culture works; that's the reason why she'd like to change it. context, guys... context. This feels like wishful thinking. If she truly means that, I wish she would articulate it more carefully, because her interview gave me the impression that she feels disrespected when fans ask for a photo. 🤖⚡️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisTEAne 21,059 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 16 minutes ago, Robo Ga said: This feels like wishful thinking. If she truly means that, I wish she would articulate it more carefully, because her interview gave me the impression that she feels disrespected when fans ask for a photo. (1) she's always been a ****ing dreamer and an idealist. (2) she did change pop culture. have some faith in her! (3) the clip itself is taken out of context. wait for the whole thing to air and then you can criticize her for not being articulate enough. (it's ironic, tho, because she's one of the most articulate people on planet earth.) if you hurt taylor swift, i'll hurt you back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo Ga 15,314 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 1 minute ago, T E A said: (1) she's always been a ****ing dreamer and an idealist. (2) she did change pop culture. have some faith in her! (3) the clip itself is taken out of context. wait for the whole thing to air and then you can criticize her for not being articulate enough. (it's ironic, tho, because she's one of the most articulate persons on planet earth.) I agree that she is extremely articulate. And I admire her optimism about change! I didn't know a longer version is coming out so I will definitely check that out for more insight. I just feel frustrated though when I heard that line about fans taking photos. Because all the fans want is a moment with Gaga they can remember and they know they'll never get a chance to sit down and have a conversation with her. It makes me feel like Gaga will shy away more and more from her fans because she feels like they're using her for a photo, when in reality, they don't really know what else to do when they meet her. Because she can't have a conversation with every fan. Even if she would prefer it that way. I understand where she's coming from but I have to admit it's hard for me to swallow, when she used to be so overjoyed to meet and take photos with fans, and now it seems like it makes her feel conflicted. 🤖⚡️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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