Gaga needs to stop being afraid of flopping

[M I M I Z 946]

14 minutes ago, HEARTHUNTER said:

He's the kind of manager who cares about her image and more importantly about her! He's a true friend and he definitely wants the best for Gaga... unlike most of her fanbase.

His job is to manage her career not her life.

[Dayman 6,166]

There's also probably tremendous pressure on her from her label to give them a hit after hit album. Obviously that's not how music works - but that's not what they care about.

[NewUsername 11,375]

I wonder if you people are all so negative in real life as well about other things in your life  

[HighlandHeart 993]

1 hour ago, Pop said:

Ever since ARTPOP was dragged for flopping, Gaga already scrapped two musical projects that we know of.

ARTPOP Act II

and LG5 (Redone version)

All this waiting and insecurity is surely fueled by her need to prove that she isn't a "flop". 

In my opinion, this was a wrong move that just adds more pressure to the whole thing.

She should've just kept chugging out music after ARTPOP and not cared if it sold or not. It would make people stop obsessively checking her chart runs and maybe even focus on the music for one.

She says she's music not the bling, but I don't see it. Girl needs to stop being afraid.

 

1. No. We don't "know of" two projects she scrapped. Interscope stopped her from releasing Act II and please don't attempt to presume you know what her decisions are regarding the RedOne songs. 

2. Since when are you her therapist? What did she tell you after she told you she's insecure? You know nothing, and call me crazy but I don't think that knowing nothing is good enough reason to make up stuff and encourage the rest of this paranoid scaremongering already prevalent on this forum. For all you know which, again, is nothing, she is completely secure, knows exactly what she's doing, and is planning slayage, by keeping as many people as possible out of the loop so that every ridiculous story and rumour cancels each other out, yes, even the demigod RedOne himself. She looks completely happy and is living life to the fullest.

Do I think she possibly regrets telling her ungrateful 'fans' so many details about ARTPOP? Probably. It didn't go well, and she knows that now. People make mistakes and nobody can expect her career to be perfect and smooth. Believe me, withholding all information until she's finished the album is for your own good. 

3. ARTPOP did not "flop". The press wanted it to. She predicted this in the Paparazzi video, because she knew how big a deal she was gonna be. They build you up to tear you down. And as a side note, she didn't fall from grace in the video. She was pushed. Just because of that, it doesn't give people the right to be so paranoid over whether or not she can deliver again. Of course she bloody can. This is Lady ****ing Gaga we're talking about. 

Voice your opinion by all means. But please, stop with these speculations masked as presumptions when you literally know nothing. 

[Katsuki Bakugo 9,788]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

I'm lost rn, I just don't even know anymore In Austin 2014 she said she doesn't release the several finished (!) volumes (!) of music she's made throughout her career up to this point because she doesn't want to see them become a plaything for the music industry like her other albums do.

While at first I thought that was admirable to admit, then I stopped and wondered if it was really that impressive, because that begs the question if she really feels so strongly about the music she ends up releasing Is she releasing what she doesn't consider to be her best music? Then why bother being a releasing artist? For money? Many fans consider that interview to be proof of her artistic integrity - I personally think she contradicts herself so dramatically in there it's actually proof of the possibility of the opposite..

So I agree with this: "She should've just kept chugging out music after ARTPOP and not cared if it sold or not." She gives very mixed signals.  It's kind of exhausting at this point, esp. because we need to endure "This is really me being happy and I've delivered my best, most genuine art for this album!" every era, after which we need to hear she actually wasn't happy and her best **** is still to come. For the first three times it was ok, but now I'm wondering if it's part of a promo design.

Agreeing with this 100% 

[LanasNerfGun 4,679]

I agree.  Sometimes I feel she has lost that fearlessness she once had.  But can you blame her?  She physically broke, was betrayed by her closest allies, and the world, including many of her fans, turned on her.  Poor girl.  She just wants to make fun pop music and make the world a better place.

[Katsuki Bakugo 9,788]

9 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

 

3. ARTPOP did not "flop". The press wanted it to. She predicted this in the Paparazzi video, because she knew how big a deal she was gonna be. They build you up to tear you down. And as a side note, she didn't fall from grace in the video. She was pushed. Just because of that, it doesn't give people the right to be so paranoid over whether or not she can deliver again. Of course she bloody can. This is Lady ****ing Gaga we're talking about. 

Voice your opinion by all means. But please, stop with these speculations masked as presumptions when you literally know nothing. 

You know whats funny you are talking about people speculating and then saying that Gaga predicted her own downfall. She didn't predict anything that hasn't already been done before, its not a case of life imitating art, its the fact that people were no longer interested in her. She isolated her fans away i.e. BTW, and lost GP interest because of LGBT issues. 

ARTPOP was not up to par to her previous work, it was messy and all over the place. It was a messy era and she lost momentum and she was not in a very good place in her own life and people started to see through the cracks.

You can like the album whilst still critiquing it. I love a majority of ARTPOP, but I'm not delusional to think that Gaga planned her own flopping. That kind of thinking is dangerous.

[RockShow 579]

1 hour ago, LePetitMonstr said:

Just like another user here said, she lost it. I remember back in 2009-2011 when she was confident in her work. Now she's just scared of releasing ANYTHING by herself. Gaga is not the same ambitious person I remember. 

You're wrong. She is still ambitious but she wants to experience new things, such as jazz.

[HighlandHeart 993]

15 minutes ago, DeathofSamantha said:

You know whats funny you are talking about people speculating and then saying that Gaga predicted her own downfall. She didn't predict anything that hasn't already been done before, its not a case of life imitating art, its the fact that people were no longer interested in her. She isolated her fans away i.e. BTW, and lost GP interest because of LGBT issues. 

ARTPOP was not up to par to her previous work, it was messy and all over the place. It was a messy era and she lost momentum and she was not in a very good place in her own life and people started to see through the cracks.

You can like the album whilst still critiquing it. I love a majority of ARTPOP, but I'm not delusional to think that Gaga planned her own flopping. That kind of thinking is dangerous.

Okay, what I'm trying to say is that Gaga wasn't and isn't stupid. The reason I say she predicted it, is because she knew it was a high possibility, and definitely wouldn't put it past the media. And she was right not to. You say she isolated her fans with BTW? Please. That's just ludicrous. I think you underestimate the power and influence of the media. People lost interest in her for LGBT campaigning? Hate to break it to you, those aren't the kind of people who's interest you'd want. If you aren't upsetting some people, you're doing something wrong. 

And as for ARTPOP not 'being up to par with her previous work', or in other words, not up to your high standards, I have to laugh when you call people delusional for simply adoring the entirety of the album. It's a good thing, believe it or not, because it brings many people a lot of joy. 

I am genuinely sickened, when I see that when people express their love for the whole album, people on this site scoff, smugly laugh, self-righteously dismiss them, as if they're some delusional idolizing brainwashed sheep, and that the people who scoff do so as if they're soooo intelligent and educated and think it's so correct to not like a lot of the album. It's sickening. The holier-than-thou attitude is sickening. I'm educated, a free thinker, strong-minded and very critical, and I loved the entirety of ARTPOP because I had a beautiful, personal experience with it over a long period of time, away from the media, away from the internet, away from this forum. Fine if you didn't like some of it. You'll notice I don't criticise you for it, as that's your opinion.  So I'll ask you and every other all-seeing all-knowing critic on here to not criticise myself and others who loved the whole album. The concept of respect is lost on some people. 

[Didymus 34,379]

51 minutes ago, M I M I Z said:

Yes she gained a few fans from C2C era but lost much more fans at the same time.

+ no one care about LG5 except the fans and that's the truth. 

That's not the truth. lol

When her new album drops there will be an overwhelming amount of curiosity, if not from the GP, at least from the media, which will in turn generate curiosity from the public.

Things are looking a lot better than pre-ARTPOP and that's the truth.

[Mikey Monster 1,561]

God imagine Gaga's perspective  on all these threads. She's probably losing her ****ing mind right now. I want music too but if I was her I would have snapped already.  I hope she stays in a good place cuz u know this bullshit is NOT good for her well being. Too much damn pressure for one person. let her be god damnit!!! I'm sorry I don't want to fight anyone on here I love u all its just my opinion. 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

1 hour ago, HEARTHUNTER said:

Omg

I'm not into ass-kissing but she's a smart woman and she can reinvent herself very easily and be at the top of her game whenever she really wants it. The thing is that her career is still young. Give her all the time she needs. I'm so glad she doesn't listen to her fans tbh.

Listen. I am by no means rushing LG5. If you look at my other posts, you'll find I'm expecting LG5 by 2017. I don't discourage her from doing jazz as well.

Yes she is smart. But that doesn't mean she's unstoppable. Any monster who hasn't learned from ARTPOP should take note. You may be talented and amazing but not everything works in your favor all the time.

A person becomes a household name for acclaim and success. Gaga's acting field needs more improvement and evolution although it has a fairly good start. Her jazz is strong. But she is also relatively young in that field no matter how young she started singing jazz in her personal life. Pop, her main field so far has yet to fully recover. Yes, she has regained a lot of respect she lost from ARTPOP but that doesn't mean she's the pop cultural juggernaut once again.

So yes, I stand by my opinion that she is not out of the woods yet and people will be looking at pop as the primary metric of her longevity unless she completely shifts careers, or until she fully establishes herself in jazz, acting or whatever new endeavor she will be pursuing.

This is why I said it would explain C3C and projects from her other career while she is "perfecting" LG5--the actual release the whole world is waiting for (for now, at least).

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Then why work with him at all? That's what I've been wondering.

Not really true. Lots of her competition has already done jazz performances, Christina even performed with Tony on tv already long before Gaga and she performed at a jazz festival in 2014 months before the C2C era started. She also of course did her Back to Basics era which was a modern take on old-school jazz and soul. Ariana performed with Michael Bublé and even did a semi-classical duet with Andrea Bocelli. Beyoncé has done jazz renditions of her own songs live as well as singing soul standards such as At Last, which she also ended up releasing as a single. And of course she starred in Dreamgirls, where she sang 60's/70's style R&B non-stop. Nicole Scherzinger did Webber standards live on tv and took part in a new version of the musical Cats, both to rave reviews. The list goes on.

The only thing Gaga added to the gist of those examples is that she made a whole jazz era and went on a tour with Tony. While that's of course admirable, you can ask yourself the question if that was really a daring thing to do. She already showcased her jazz capabilities multiple times throughout her career, mostly of course by appearing on Tony's Duets II album with Tramp which got a music video. She didn't really show anything that we hadn't seen before, except for a few incredibly emotional performances of La vie en rose and Lush Life, but she could've just done the PBS special and called it a day, doing a few performances here and there. The fact that she extended her dipping her toe in some jazz into a full-length era is not a step up from her peers at all. A cynic might say it was a safe commercial decision since she could get plenty of headlines and success (simply for being Lady Gaga who could actually sing) while not releasing one original thing for two years. In the end though the C2C album was not critically appreciated, the reviews summing up what could count for the whole era: did we really need this?

The C2C era and all that it involved (Sound of Music tribute for instance) was a very safe choice for her. She was bound to impress easily just because people didn't expect her to be able to pull off those performances (which does not mean she pulled off incredible performances that are vastly superior to those of her peers), and she could stay more or less relevant in the public eye without doing anything related to the brand that wore off, and she could manufacture a tremendous anticipation for her next album, solely because of her vocal talent (which in itself has nothing to do with interest in her act). This does put a huge amount of pressure on her next album because it has to satisfy all those expectations. But if she pulls it off, the gains will be tremendous. Which I'm sure is why it's taking so long to make this thing.

The last daring thing she did was collaborating with Robert Wilson for the Louvre.

Kind of disagreeing with you on the critical reception of C2C part as it seems too much in the perspective of stanbases but agree overall on why she takes too long for pop due to the pressure/expectations of the public.

[Didymus 34,379]

46 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

Interscope stopped her from releasing Act II

That's not true. Pretty ironic you're trying to call someone out for providing false/unknown info and then saying that

46 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

3. ARTPOP did not "flop". The press wanted it to. She predicted this in the Paparazzi video, because she knew how big a deal she was gonna be. They build you up to tear you down.

Bs. The press didn't want it to flop, they started tearing her down from the start of the era because of that embarrassingly pretentious "Warholian expedition" promo picture and her commercial tactics during Applause (offering a meet and greet in return for multiple bought copies of Applause + linking a playlist just putting Applause on loop to get higher on the charts). On top of that the album performed poorly commercially and got mixed reviews and we had the fake rumor of Interscope losing money. Only then was the era being seen as a fall from grace. This myth of "people were out to get her" is ridiculous. Things unfolded naturally and, if anything, she was criticized most of all for not living up to the message she herself presented: art taking the front position again.

Besides, people here were already calling her fall from grace the "Lady Gaga is fat!" era during 2012/beginning of 2013. They were framing ARTPOP as her big return to people loving her again. Only when ARTPOP eventually did so poorly did the fans re-frame everything so they could avoid the truth. Very transparent and unnecessary. Just quit it.

[Didymus 34,379]

2 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said:

Kind of disagreeing with you on the critical reception of C2C part as it seems too much in the perspective of stanbases

Did you read the critical reviews?