What is with the Obsession with Red One?

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1 minute ago, maxmore said:

have you heard of bad romance? godejandro? monster? just dance?

gaga x redone sold about 60-70 million singles combined

So happy i could die? Poker face? uhm Scheibe? and oh Monster? Hair? 

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1 minute ago, Harry said:

For once I actually agree with you lol

Most of it seems to be rooted in fan's insecurity about Gaga's commercial prospects. People are saying she won't get hits without RedOne despite the fact she's had several. Out of her thirteen top twenty hits, six were made with him. Yes it's a large amount, but it's also less than half. She's more than capable of succeeding without him. People are underestimating Gaga and putting their faith in others. It's not all about popularity and I find it weird that so many people on here have that as their priority. Plus, as I said in the other thread, he hasn't had a hit in like five years... Clearly Gaga is the special ingredient as far as that goes.

I totally understand also that some people are just fans of his work. That's fine. But for whatever reason, it obviously just didn't work out. If she stays working with the same people forever, it's possible that we might not be able to really get to know her full potential as an artist... Madonna was constantly switching up her sound from album to album by working with a range of producers and she has one of the most consistent discographies of any pop-star - both commercially and critically.

I wouldn't mind if Gaga had songs with RedOne on the album, but from what he said they were making songs similar to the old stuff, and Gaga has always been about growing and evolving. That's what I want to see as well.

madonna and patrick leonard tho

they never changed their winning formula

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Just now, Paparazzzzi said:

So happy i could die? Poker face? uhm Scheibe? and oh Monster? Hair? 

excuse my blasphemy for not listing them

(judas too <3 )

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5 minutes ago, Son of ARTPOP said:

Okay, I get that the meltdowns are extra right now, but tbh it's Gaga that's sending mixed signals for the 1000th time. Last year, even late 2014 her statements were "I'm working on my old self like a cadaver, it feels really good, it's great, we (RedOne and I) make magc, we wear our shades at night" I mean you can't just attribute the disappointment to the fact he produced her biggest hits.

It's just Gaga pissing us off for having so much material that it's really up in the air. I mean he is bitter, but apparently he was left in the dark, and he spent a year working with her. Remember when he said they are going to write 50-100-200 songs until they have it perfected. Obviously, he was passionate and devoted, so it's a real bummer for him not knowing what's going on now.

I kindly remind you that we don't know for sure he was scrapped off LG5 but he confimred changes were happening AGAIN. So fingers pointed at Gaga, not him, tbh. She is the one with original ARTPOP, Act II, first LG5, currently working on another LG5 or whatever. I mean it's just annoying with her already. 

Rihanna's approach is much better with music. Yeah she has pretty terrible songs sometimes, but we have 8 full albums, don't we? And when you have that worth of material released, it's easy to ignore the mishaps and enjoy the good stuff. 

So because Gaga is scrapping songs, that means she is at fault? Once again she is the MAIN artist. She should be able to decide what she wants and what she doesn't want. She could scrap songs whenever she likes even if the producers or the fans don't like it. Its her vision and her direction.

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1 minute ago, Enigma said:

So because Gaga is scrapping songs, that means she is at fault? Once again she is the MAIN artist. She should be able to decide what she wants and what she doesn't want. She could scrapped songs whenever she likes even if the producers or the fans don't like it. Its her vision and her direction.

I agree  this fanbase is really annoying. At the end of the day, it's her decision not fan's.

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Just now, Enigma said:

So because Gaga is scrapping songs, that means she is at fault? Once again she is the MAIN artist. She should be able to decide what she wants and what she doesn't want. She could scrapped songs whenever she likes even if the producers or the fans don't like it. Its her vision and her direction.

Of course. I don't disagree, and I'm not really obsessed with RedOne and his work (I love ARTPOP not her first 3 albums so...). I believe she is more than capable of delivering high quality music without RedOne, and she must evolve with LG5. 

I expressed my dissatisfaction with her growing catalogue of unreleased music. RedOne said 4 songs are powerful, and one is Grammy-worthy, and I'm inclined to believe him, so yeah ofc I'd prefer to be able to hear them. I don't care if they make it to the album or not. She can pull an ANTI - first 3 singles not being part of the final album. 

And from RedOne's point of view it really sucks, don't deny it. That's what I meant in my original post.

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1 minute ago, maxmore said:

madonna and patrick leonard tho

they never changed their winning formula

Their collaborations grew and changed too, though. There's nothing wrong with working with the same producer over and over, but 'Live To Tell' and 'Frozen', for example, sound very different. There's clear growth. She also hasn't worked with Patrick in nearly 20 years lol.

None of us know really what happened with RedOne, I'm just trying to make a point that could explain it - and if it is the case - why it was a good idea.

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1 minute ago, Son of ARTPOP said:

Of course. I don't disagree, and I'm not really obsessed with RedOne and his work (I love ARTPOP not her first 3 albums so...). I believe she is more than capable of delivering high quality music without RedOne, and she must evolve with LG5. 

I expressed my dissatisfaction with her growing catalogue of unreleased music. RedOne said 4 songs are powerful, and one is Grammy-worthy, and I'm inclined to believe him, so yeah ofc I'd prefer to be able to hear them. I don't care if they make it to the album or not. She can pull an ANTI - first 3 singles not being part of the final album. 

And from RedOne's point of view it really sucks, don't deny it. That's what I meant in my original post.

It will definitely suck for him if he is not included in LG5. And is kind of obvious that he is going to praise his own work with Gaga. But at the end of the day, the person I trust the most is Gaga. Without her Red One doesn't produce much quality or even have big hits. It is clear to me that Gaga is the one that truly makes the people she works with great.

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1 minute ago, Enigma said:

So because Gaga is scrapping songs, that means she is at fault? Once again she is the MAIN artist. She should be able to decide what she wants and what she doesn't want. She could scrapped songs whenever she likes even if the producers or the fans don't like it. Its her vision and her direction.

"Producers or fans don't like it"  We have feelings and opinions too (as well for the producers), you're right she have the right to that upcoming record. But how would you feel if you have helped her reach a massive success then be forgotten easily (scrapping red one)? and if she made many promises then nothing would happen? We want the best for her so that's why maybe a lot recommends redone (even billboard,gp etc). Yes, She is the MAIN artist (she's undeniably talented), we get that. But without the fans, the producers could stefani be the gaga who she is now?  

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Just now, Enigma said:

It will definitely suck for him if he is not included in LG5. And is kind of obvious that he is going to praise his own work with Gaga. But at the end of the day, the person I trust the most is Gaga. Without her Red One doesn't produce much quality or even have big hits. It is clear to me that Gaga is the one that truly makes the people she works with great.

True. I'm not here for anything like Gaga's released discography. She is a big name, and everyone in that category has set the bar higher for themselves in the past year. Looking at Adele, Rihanna, Beyoncé  - they topped themselves in different ways, but what unites them is that they improved and delivered good music, that's far from commercial mainstream sh*t. And I think Gaga can do it as well, and she knows what she is doing. I trust her, we just have to wait. 

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7 minutes ago, Paparazzzzi said:

"Producers or fans don't like it"  We have feelings and opinions too (as well for the producers), you're right she have the right to that upcoming record. But how would you feel if you have helped her reach a massive success then be forgotten easily (scrapping red one)? and if she made many promises then nothing would happen? We want the best for her so that's why maybe a lot recommends redone (even billboard,gp etc). Yes, She is the MAIN artist (she's undeniably talented), we get that. But without the fans, the producers could stefani be the gaga who she is now?  

-First, If Gaga feels like one of her songs she did is not Good enough, then she shouldn't feel obligated to include those songs just because she is friends with a producer.

-Second, Gaga is not always going to make music that everyone likes. That is impossible. So if some fans don't like her work than they could always move on

-Third. Gaga has only made one promise for LG5 so far. And that is that is going to be released this year. She hasn't made any other promises after this so people shouldn't be making stuff up in their minds.

-Finally, she obviously wouldn't be the same position that she is without Red One right now. For the better or worse. But the work they did stands on its own and is part of her past now.

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Because he never produce a bad song with Gaga that's why + Gaga will never be the same without REDONE.

 

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1 minute ago, M I M I Z said:

Because he never produce a bad song with Gaga that's why + Gaga will never be the same without REDONE.

 

That is kind of obvious. Just like Gaga will not be the same without Mark Robson, DJWS, Fernando Garibay, ect.

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All the songs, oh sorry MASTERPIECES that they have done together. Period.

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1 minute ago, Enigma said:

-First, If Gaga feels like one of her songs she did is not Good enough, then she shouldn't feel obligated to include those songs just because she is friends with a producer.

-Second, Gaga is not always going to make music the everyone like. That is impossible. So if some fans don't like her work than they could always move on

-Third. Gaga has only made one promise for LG5 so far. And that is that is going to be released this year. She hasn't made any other promises after this so people shouldn't be making stuff up in their minds.

-Finally, she obviously wouldn't be the same position that she is without red one right now. For the better or worse. But their work they did stands on its own and is part of her past now.

Im talking about the feelings and opinions of every individual and the effect of her actions to us and her producers. You didn't even answer my questions  (and oh im not only referring LG5 promises) Answering me safe, i see. oh well  bye