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[Goosey 3,017]

3 minutes ago, bionic said:

 

I find it sad (in the upsetting way) that you feel you need personal protection where you live.

Also, these live here:

 

And they do this:

"David Parker, 62, was walking on an industrial road about two kilometres outside of Port Alice on Thursday evening when he was mauled by a 40-kilogram male cougar. 

As the cat clawed and bit into his neck, face and head, Parker somehow managed to pull out his pocket knife, open its three-inch blade and slit the cougar's throat, leaving the cat to bleed in the middle of the gravel road."
 

http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/mj04/feature.asp

 

4 minutes ago, bionic said:

Its a knife

A knife is a tool. They make knives that go in pockets. These are known as "pocketknives".

A pocketknife is a foldable knife with one or more blades that fit inside the handle that can still fit in a pocket. It is also known as a jackknife or jack-knife. Pocket knives are versatile tools, and may be used for anything from opening an envelope, to cutting twine, slicing a piece of fruit [...]

[bionic 50,111]

2 minutes ago, Goosey said:

Also, these live here:

 

And they do this:

"David Parker, 62, was walking on an industrial road about two kilometres outside of Port Alice on Thursday evening when he was mauled by a 40-kilogram male cougar. 

As the cat clawed and bit into his neck, face and head, Parker somehow managed to pull out his pocket knife, open its three-inch blade and slit the cougar's throat, leaving the cat to bleed in the middle of the gravel road."
 

http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/mj04/feature.asp

 

A knife is a tool. They make knives that go in pockets. These are known as "pocketknives".

A pocketknife is a foldable knife with one or more blades that fit inside the handle that can still fit in a pocket. It is also known as a jackknife or jack-knife. Pocket knives are versatile tools, and may be used for anything from opening an envelope, to cutting twine, slicing a piece of fruit [...]

Its sad that your government can't protect you properly.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

A weapon is a tool. The distinction is meaningless.

[bionic 50,111]

3 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

A weapon is a tool. The distinction is meaningless.

A hammer is a tool but you wouldn't walk round w/ that in your purse

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

5 minutes ago, bionic said:

A hammer is a tool but you wouldn't walk round w/ that in your purse

You can though. Hammers are actually weapons. In fact many household tools can be used as weapons. Screwdrivers are a good example.

[bionic 50,111]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

You can though. Hammers are actually weapons. In fact many household tools can be used as weapons. Screwdrivers are a good example.

That's my point. Anything can be used as a weapon. Some more than others.

[Goosey 3,017]

3 minutes ago, bionic said:

Its sad that your government can't protect you properly.

It's sad you can't debate prope— *cough* that is, I mean to say, it's sad you have no wildlife diversity and habitat that supports mammalian predators in your country.

3 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

A weapon is a tool. The distinction is meaningless.

This is not a weapon. How do I know?

1. Because the manufacturer doesn't call it a weapon. They talk about how useful it is for general tasks. "Cutting and piercing with equal ease, the Counter Point is both a functional and attractive EDC (Every Day Carry) knife and a steadfast resource in any rescue or emergency situation."

2. Because Canadian laws prohibit carrying concealed weapons, but I'm allowed to carry this. In the eyes of the law it's not a weapon unless I'm carrying it for that purpose, or unless it was designed specifically for that purpose. A samurai sword is a weapon. Brass knuckles are a weapon. A folding pocketknife, nope.

"Examples suggested by Judge Dalton included carrying a jackknife in one’s pocket which would be seen as innocuous because that is a typical way of carrying such an item"

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, bionic said:

That's my point. Anything can be used as a weapon. Some more than others.

These are all melee though. Nowadays when we talk about weapons they are usually just ranged weaponry.

In any case those are different because they are melee. Ranged weaponry need to be treated differently because not only do they have more reach but they can also be wielded effectively by someone with little training.

[bionic 50,111]

2 minutes ago, Goosey said:

It's sad you can't debate prope— *cough* that is, I mean to say, it's sad you have no wildlife diversity and habitat that supports mammalian predators in your country.

No need for personal attacks.

Spoiler

Or are they practical attacks  

 

[Goosey 3,017]

7 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

These are all melee though. Nowadays when we talk about weapons they are usually just ranged weaponry.

In any case those are different because they are melee. Ranged weaponry need to be treated differently because not only do they have more reach but they can also be wielded effectively by someone with little training.

Most weapons can be wielded effectively by someone with little training. The simpler the weapon, the less training required.

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

3 minutes ago, Goosey said:

Most weapons can be wielded effectively by someone with little training. The simpler the weapon, the less training required.

 

Not melee. It carries much higher risk since you have to be in physical range of your opponent. You also need to hit the proper areas to maximize the impact of the blow, otherwise you open yourself up to counterattack. Also many melee weapons can also hurt the user himself on attack.

I mean if the target is unarmed against a group or caught unaware then what weapon you use is irrelevant. You can punch people to death. 

[Goosey 3,017]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Not melee. It carries much higher risk since you have to be in physical range of your opponent. You also need to hit the proper areas to maximize the impact of the blow. 

I mean if the target is unarmed or caught unaware then what weapon you use is irrelevant. You can punch people to death. 

I think untrained vs trained would often be more fair with axes or hammers than with firearms. An untrained person might not even know how to use modern weapons (shown below).

 

 

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

13 minutes ago, Goosey said:

I think untrained vs trained would often be more fair with axes or hammers than with firearms. An untrained person might not even know how to use modern weapons (shown below).

 

 

 

The point is an untrained shooter can kill a trained melee user pretty consistently.

I think that guy is trying to shoot over cover lol

As I said the distinction is more about the rate of fire (you can't stab multiple people in succession like guns unless you're Uma Thurman from Kill Bill),  the range (you have to be in melee), and training.

[Goosey 3,017]

4 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

The point is an untrained shooter can kill a trained melee user pretty consistently.

I think that guy is trying to shoot over cover lol

As I said the distinction is more about the rate of fire (you can't stab multiple people in succession like guns unless you're Uma Thurman from Kill Bill),  the range (you have to be in melee), and training.

We are debating different things. A melee weapon can be used effectively by someone with little or no training, so can a rifle. A rifle is more effective in general, but the untrained user won't be able to make use of all its capabilities, whereas with a hammer there's not much to it.

Like if this was a tabletop game:

Hammer: 30 effectiveness, with untrained user, 25 effectiveness.
Rifle: 200 effectiveness, with untrained user, 125 effectiveness.

[SychosSoChic 9,995]

2 hours ago, Goosey said:

We are debating different things. A melee weapon can be used effectively by someone with little or no training, so can a rifle. A rifle is more effective in general, but the untrained user won't be able to make use of all its capabilities, whereas with a hammer there's not much to it.

Like if this was a tabletop game:

Hammer: 30 effectiveness, with untrained user, 25 effectiveness.
Rifle: 200 effectiveness, with untrained user, 125 effectiveness.

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