Snow 1,582 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Kayla said: Hide contents When I first clicked the link I thought you had quoted me and was saying I personally called her a pedophile Then I saw the tag and who you really quoted "mostly hate fueled personal accusations and attacks towards M." Are you sure? 65 Members have posted in this thread. ~15 have commented in a neither pro- nor anti-Madonna way, or responded in a way not directly related to the OP. ~ 23 have commented in a way that indicates negative response towards Madonna. ~ 37 have posted in defense and favor of Madonna. So actually, the thread is mostly defending Madonna against the less-common examples of accusations. Yeah in responces to The accusations, there certainly were there and thats how this got messy in The first place (+ obviously The original title that set to mood sooooo wrong) Most of this was not discussion about how we see The subject but about is M a pedophile. And that irritated many and moderators should have been more firm. It is NOT acceptable to accuse ppl of Such things, no matter who they are based on fiction... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdX 2,862 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 It seems like hating on Madonna is the new thing or smth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, Snow said: Yeah in responces to The accusations, there certainly were there and thats how this got messy in The first place (+ obviously The original title that set to mood sooooo wrong) Most of this was not discussion about how we see The subject but about is M a pedophile. And that irritated many and moderators should have been more firm. It is NOT acceptable to accuse ppl of Such things, no matter who they are... To be fair, the OP initially didn't know that the writing was fiction, and the writing does come off as problematic if it was real. And the OP also wrongfully used the term "pedophile" when "ephebophilic" is the more correct term, but then again most people refer to sex with young teens as "pedophilic" anyways. What I see is OP making a thread over something they misinterpreted, then people came in and clarified the situation, and then the discussion is about how to interpret the intention in the work and determine how it fits into society's views of sexuality and age, and even gender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, RockWithU said: It seems like hating on Madonna is the new thing or smth. Honey it's been a thing for longer than many of us have been alive. It's actually pretty amazing that something sex-related from back then is still so controversial nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix 34,811 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 54 minutes ago, Kayla said: Please cut this out. Haroon changed the title in an attempt to make it less damaging (from "acts" to "fantasies") and now I'm going to change it from "fantasies" to "character." Don't treat us poorly just because we're not handling a thread the exact way you want us to. Where you see something problematic, we see a discussion. And frankly, I think it's great people are bringing up a writing from decades ago that is clearly still causing controversy today. How many other expressions of sexuality from that time are still this polarizing? Madonna was ahead of her time when it came to this stuff, and this thread is highlighting the importance of discussing artwork and interpreting artistic intention. Now excuse me while my apparently anti-Madonna biased self goes and continues to defend her in this thread. Well, I'm sorry but it felt like a bias situation since it wasn't handled as other flamebait threads about other artist, those were closed without hesitation and this is way more serious. I appreciate Haroons attempt to make it less damaging, but it hasn't helped much as people are still here outing her for pedophilic fantasies when it still isn't true. It has become a Hey-let's-hate-some-on-Madonna thread and you allow it. You can't discuss topics like this with idiots, they will always stand by their opinion even if they know it's wrong. Lose control. Let go and fall. Do you get the satisfaction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdX 2,862 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, Kayla said: Honey it's been a thing for longer than many of us have been alive. It's actually pretty amazing that something sex-related from back then is still so controversial nowadays. Well... I just thought that people from this time could just appreciate a legend and leave her alone wtf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Bellatrix said: Well, I'm sorry but it felt like a bias situation since it wasn't handled as other flamebait threads about other artist, those were closed without hesitation and this is way more serious. I appreciate Haroons attempt to make it less damaging, but it hasn't helped much as people are still here outing her for pedophilic fantasies when it still isn't true. It has become a Hey-let's-hate-some-on-Madonna thread and you allow it. You can't discuss topics like this with idiots, they will always stand by their opinion even if they know it's wrong. Had people come in to really hate on Madonna left and right we would have locked it, but actually majority of the posters in the thread were defending Madonna which is why it stayed open. There was a balance of opinions and thought-out explanations for them, but overall the comments aimed to be understanding and offer insight to the situation instead of bash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix 34,811 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 47 minutes ago, thotiana said: Just because it's a "work of fiction" doesn't mean it's ok. Other works of fiction like this have been highly criticized because they attribute to child rape culture. The "fiction" alludes to a woman sleeping with a boy in his teens no matter what way you want to twist things! & this has everything to do with madge because she is the author of the story we are criticizing. it's really not rocket science! You are getting overly offended because you love Madonna. Which is okay but don't expect to make people change their minds with your views on it. But what is so wrong with a woman sleeping with a boy who has a legal age and is not being forced to it? Just because you don't like age differences doesn't make it wrong. Lose control. Let go and fall. Do you get the satisfaction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexxx 5,647 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 How could he give her crabs if he was a virgin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdX 2,862 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, Sexxx said: How could he give her crabs if he was a virgin? THIS OMG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: Wow, cowardly bullying there. Not saying my name is cowardice. Not quoting me or @'ing me is cowardice. Doing all this hoping I won't notice is cowardice. I notice everything, don't think you can hide. If my "Bibles" are too much for you, don't read them. And don't even try to compare the things I say about sex to the rights of people with different sexualities. That has nothing to do with the things I write. I fight for the right to freedom of being, expressing yourself and sexuality...as long as it doesn't harm other people or oneself. I believe in respecting other people's values and morals and being considerate of everyone's physical and emotional state. There's some type of expression that is damaging. I speak out about that. Don't you dare suggest that I repress people with my views. Wow, spelling out your bullying in capital letters. Loud and proud. Some people have no shame. I think it's so ironic how you criticise me for apparently not allowing people the right to express themselves and then go on to call my opinions worthless and scream that this forum doesn't deserve me, which can be very damaging to a person's self-esteem, especially if you don't know their backstory. Irony, thy name is Psychedelic. I respect your views, but as you can see many people in here disagree with them. You should really attempt to understand once and for all that this is not the type of place where people will be happy with those views you have on how people even should dress, act and behave. Expressing them every now and them wouldn't be such an issue, this is a discussion forum at the end of the day but your constant backlash has become an anoying thing to many. I know you're always respectful in the way you conduct your opinions, but when you have people in a forum who love dressing wild, acting crazy at clubs and doing all those thing you condemn. Guess what? Your opinions become disrespectful to some. Because you're frequently judging a way of living many of us share. I knew you could notice I was referring to you but I din not quote you because I know that making you understand this above, will be like reading poems to a horse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petty 9,412 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bellatrix said: But what is so wrong with a woman sleeping with a boy who has a legal age and is not being forced to it? Just because you don't like age differences doesn't make it wrong. she doesn't confirm he was legal! stop being dense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 23 hours ago, Pop said: Madonna is a huge mess. Like she shouldn't be respected at all after all the messy **** she did. wtf. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petty 9,412 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 30 minutes ago, Kayla said: Reveal hidden contents When I first clicked the link I thought you had quoted me and was saying I personally called her a pedophile Then I saw the tag and who you really quoted "mostly hate fueled personal accusations and attacks towards M." Are you sure? 65 Members have posted in this thread. ~15 have commented in a neither pro- nor anti-Madonna way, or responded in a way not directly related to the OP. ~ 23 have commented in a way that indicates negative response towards Madonna. ~ 37 have posted in defense and favor of Madonna. So actually, the thread is mostly defending Madonna against the less-common examples of accusations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix 34,811 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, thotiana said: she doesn't confirm he was legal! stop being dense She doesn't confirm he wasn't legal either so stop judging her on loose grounds. As it is fiction it doesn't really matter either. No one has done anything wrong. Non-authors kan write fake stories too. I have written several of them and if they reflected myself I would probably have been convicted Lose control. Let go and fall. Do you get the satisfaction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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