Don't get mad.... But is Lady Gaga taking her fame for granted?

[Gardevoir 9,823]

10 hours ago, Drunk Poet said:

Tell me how she took her fame for granted during ARTPOP? She was celebrating the journey with her fans through the other eras.   

No, but I mean, I think she thought that ARTPOP would be received a lot more warmer, cause she thought that the whole world was missing her. And there is nothing wrong about that. 

OT: I don't think she does. Previously mentioned Til It Happens To You and Emotion Revolution for example. 

[Gardevoir 9,823]

She said she's wondering about what to write about on LG5, what subjects to touch, so I think this album will have mature songs about interesting subjects. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,872]

It's hard to go this long without any new information like we were used to in the past but this is how the majority of artists work, we're just going to have to get used to it. If you lived a life of constant album releases, promotion and touring, wouldn't you want to lay low in your down-time too? Spend time with your family and partner? Relax and live life to get inspiration for the next album? Some artists are always around even when they have nothing to promote, some drop off the face of the earth in between albums and others are a mixture of both. Right now, Gaga's a mixture of both. She needed time out of the crazy media circus and get over the backlash that had been mounting on her for the last couple of years. She's finding herself and getting back to her essence. I don't want another depressed Gaga who cancels plans and doesn't get her visions realised. This break will be worth it in the end. She's making people miss her. When she comes back, at least no one will be complaining that she's over-exposed.

15 hours ago, Bebe said:

I mean putting this into perspective a little, look at the woman Gaga was compared to throughout the ARTPOP era.

What has Katy Perry released since PRISM? What has she done? What has she said?

That's not an attack on her, she has every right to take her time too. But while Katy has used her time away from the spotlight in a certain way, Gaga has kept working. She released C2C, she acted on AHS, she performed multiple tributes for a range of artists, she released Till It Happens To You, she performed multiple times at The Oscars, she performed at the Super Bowl.

Thanks for saying that because I was thinking the same thing. Katy has actually done a film role or two, released an app, fronted H&M's Christmas campaign, etc. but honestly, I don't think any of that has made an impact. Gaga actually made people sit up and take notice when she did C2C, AHS, the Oscars (twice), they remember it. Honestly, we haven't heard anything from Katy about her new music in ages. She's given no hints about it except saying once that she'll be more experimental. Lately, all she seems to be doing is attending events and hanging out with Orlando. My guess is that her album is nowhere near finished and won't be ready until early next year. Yet,no one's been going on at her for not doing anything. Considering she had a bigger, more successful era last time, you'd think demand for her to produce something would be off the scale. But no, everyone's talking about Gaga's next release and what's taking so long, even though she under-performed last time. I think that tells you something.

[Fernster7 7,922]

Oh my God, I'm sorry but Gaga doesn't need to explain why she changed her views on certain things, we all change and it's annoying that people are always judging her because at some point she said something YEARS AGO that she doesn't believe in right now, every person goes through that, I'd understand if she suddenly changed but come on. That's why I always say that I wouldn't be able to spend a day with most people on GGD. No one wants people like that in their life.

[Haroon 49,685]

Just because she's famous it doesn't mean she needs to be doing things 24/7 to improve the world  Plus she recently did the Love Bravery thing which goes towards charity, so I don't see where this is coming from  She's a human at the end of the day and deserves to take time off when she feels like she needs it  

[LadyGagaStan93 129]

10 hours ago, Didymus said:

Well, I don't expect her to be. But I don't treat her any different than I treat an acquaintance of mine. If I knew someone who was all high and mighty about being on the road and spending all their money on their work etc. and then suddenly doing a 180 I'd like to hear an explanation for that too. I can accept change perfectly but I like people who changed dramatically to acknowledge it (not the same as defending yourself).

And I don't get why everyone keeps bringing up the maturity argument. Sure, that can be about focusing on marriage and children, but that has zero to do with her lifestyle rn I don't see a relation between "growing up" and suddenly loving Hollywood. No need to bring in that element.

Anyway, I don't feel like my post was that bad for you to go all "no one's forcing you to be a fan". Her work always comes first to me and she's delivered plenty for me to keep on watching. Some bits just annoy, but that's not at all the end of the world or my fandom or whatever and I'm kind of frustrated that so many people think some criticism about very justified things (blatant contradictions) are saying something super dramatic. I'm sure you talk a lot worse about your own friends sometimes lol

She's engaged Now though. It's not like she's getting engaged in 5 years lmao. Of course maturity factors into this. What's more surprising is that you find her changing and living out her life to be a sign of her artistic output not coming through. Like she can't be Lady Gaga 24/7. We are all walking contradictions whether you think so or not. So I'm not sure why it's such a big deal that at one point she said something and years later did another. Literally, who the **** cares? I once said I'd never get any piercings or tattoos and that sure isn't the deal now. Remember Gaga and her promise to her father? Yeah, she broke that too. It's her life though. 

[Didymus 34,379]

3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Katy has actually done a film role or two, released an app, fronted H&M's Christmas campaign, etc. but honestly, I don't think any of that has made an impact. Gaga actually made people sit up and take notice when she did C2C, AHS, the Grammys (twice), they remember it. Honestly, we haven't heard anything from Katy about her new music in ages. She's given no hints about it except saying once that she'll be more experimental. Lately, all she seems to be doing is attending events and hanging out with Orlando. My guess is that her album is nowhere near finished and won't be ready until early next year. Yet,no one's been going on at her for not doing anything. Considering she had a bigger, more successful era last time, you'd think demand for her to produce something would be off the scale. But no, everyone's talking about Gaga's next release and what's taking so long, even though she under-performed last time. I think that tells you something.

It tells you you're on a Gaga forum

@Bebe Adding you too.

In all seriousness, the comparison is very unfair. Katy was still touring until October 18th 2015. Gaga's Cheek to Cheek Tour was already over by then It would be very irrational to demand new music from Katy when her last big release (her concert dvd) was on October 30th. That's just seven months ago. A seven month break is no big deal.

[StrawberryBlond 14,872]

13 minutes ago, Didymus said:

It tells you you're on a Gaga forum

Obviously, but I'm not just talking about here. I just don't see there being any sort of hype for Katy's album. Naturally, there'll be buzz in her own fanbase, but in general, I'm not seeing any sort of demand, despite 2 massive hits and such a successful tour. It's almost like the public at large have forgotten about her. On the contrary, I've seen Gaga's name on a lot of "most anticipated albums of 2016" lists but, with the exception of an occasional pop site, I'm not seeing any love for Katy.

[Didymus 34,379]

16 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Obviously, but I'm not just talking about here. I just don't see there being any sort of hype for Katy's album. Naturally, there'll be buzz in her own fanbase, but in general, I'm not seeing any sort of demand, despite 2 massive hits and such a successful tour. It's almost like the public at large have forgotten about her. On the contrary, I've seen Gaga's name on a lot of "most anticipated albums of 2016" lists but, with the exception of an occasional pop site, I'm not seeing any love for Katy.

Again, exaggerating. Just type in "Katy Perry new album" in Google, plenty of people interested, incl. Billboard, Rolling Stone, the New York Times and Digital Spy who are reporting simple comments about how the album's coming along.

Plus, she's on Forbes' '10 Most Anticipated Pop Albums of 2016' (Source), right next to Gaga as well as on Billboard's '2016 Albums We Can't Wait to Hear' (Source), again right next to Gaga. Just like Gaga received an article about what she needed to bring to the table with LG5, Katy received one from Capital FM (Source), as well as one from Vogue (Source). Websites for Pitchfork and Complex didn't include either of them on their lists, so I guess their demand is more equal than you think.

So in just a few minutes of simple searching, your entire argument is now invalid. But I'm sure you researched properly. Oh, on that note.. Katy didn't do "movie roles", she did a silly cameo (as herself) in Zoolander and appeared in three documentaries. Again your "research" fails to impress, sadly.

[Nono 3,576]

27 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Obviously, but I'm not just talking about here. I just don't see there being any sort of hype for Katy's album. Naturally, there'll be buzz in her own fanbase, but in general, I'm not seeing any sort of demand, despite 2 massive hits and such a successful tour. It's almost like the public at large have forgotten about her. On the contrary, I've seen Gaga's name on a lot of "most anticipated albums of 2016" lists but, with the exception of an occasional pop site, I'm not seeing any love for Katy.

That's what you think, but not everybody else. She is more powerful than you think and not to be underestimated. She proved it last time against Gaga and unfortunately you already know how things ended...  

[StrawberryBlond 14,872]

24 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Again, exaggerating. Just type in "Katy Perry new album" in Google, plenty of people interested, incl. Billboard, Rolling Stone, the New York Times and Digital Spy who are reporting simple comments about how the album's coming along.

Plus, she's on Forbes' '10 Most Anticipated Pop Albums of 2016' (Source), right next to Gaga as well as on Billboard's '2016 Albums We Can't Wait to Hear' (Source), again right next to Gaga. Just like Gaga received an article about what she needed to bring to the table with LG5, Katy received one from Capital FM (Source), as well as one from Vogue (Source). Websites for Pitchfork and Complex didn't include either of them on their lists, so I guess their demand is more equal than you think.

So in just a few minutes of simple searching, your entire argument is now invalid. But I'm sure you researched properly. Oh, on that note.. Katy didn't do "movie roles", she did a silly cameo (as herself) in Zoolander and appeared in three documentaries. Again your "research" fails to impress, sadly.

There you go again, treating me like you're the teacher and I'm the student who you're finding fault with. Just get off your high horse, will you?

Yes, I did research, just not those specific ones. I can't remember the place that I saw every single list on. Just for once, I wish you'd just take what I say as a generalised view and not take things so seriously. And yes, I did thoroughly research those things in question, actually. And I would call those movie roles. She lended her voice to Smurfette in Smurfs 2, a big hit film, get your facts straight! I guess it was part of 2013, though, I don't know when you're counting it from. Lending your voice, cameos, it all counts as a role in my mind.

See, why do you need to add in these little pithy comments like "your entire argument is invalid" and "your research fails to impress." If you think what you're saying is strong enough, you shouldn't need to add in insulting comments like this, your research should speak for herself. By adding in insults, you're just showing up the other person and that is really unacceptable.

 

4 minutes ago, Nono said:

That's what you think, but not everybody else. She is more powerful than you think and not to be underestimated. She proved it last time against Gaga and unfortunately you already know how things ended...  

I know this. But there is no way she's winning against Gaga 3 times in a row. That's just not happening. When fans get that assured, you know it's going to end badly. All those failed singles from Prism should prove that her power is starting to fail and the hits are drying up. I also highly doubt her touring power is going to get any bigger than her last tour. I think she's hit her peak and is going to start the downfall now.

[Nono 3,576]

25 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

I know this. But there is no way she's winning against Gaga 3 times in a row. That's just not happening. When fans get that assured, you know it's going to end badly. All those failed singles from Prism should prove that her power is starting to fail and the hits are drying up. I also highly doubt her touring power is going to get any bigger than her last tour. I think she's hit her peak and is going to start the downfall now.

We will see and don't be so sure...2013 was a though year for everybody, there was Miley, Katy and Gaga in the same game and it was overcrowded. The only singles from the prism that flopped were Unconditionally and Birthday and she managed to save it with 1.hits like Roar and Dark Horse. Personally I'm not a fan, but her management team is not to play with, they will do everything and anything but they will not let her to flop, trust me...  The time will tell, but for now she is standing still, like it or not.

[StrawberryBlond 14,872]

1 minute ago, Nono said:

We will see... 2013 was a though year for everybody, there was Miley, Katy and Gaga in the same game and it was overcrowded. The only singles from the prism that floped were Unconditionally and Birthday and she managed to save it with 1.hits like Roar and Dark Horse. Personally I'm not a fan, but her management team is not to play with, they will do everything and anything but they will not let her to flop, trust me...  The time will tell what will happen, but for now she is standing still, like it or not.

The biggest names won't be there as competition for Gaga now. And you don't think This Is How We Do was a flop? If it hadn't risen a bit at the last minute, it would have tied with MTN as the lowest single peak at #29. And this was the style that had been such a success for her with TD. The public has got bored of her bubblegum pop and they've never let her ballads become as big as her uptempo stuff. She's in a catch 22 situation and at almost 32, she's getting old in the eyes of pop fans and her stuff looks immature compared to what other pop girls are doing. I am positive this is going to be the beginning of the end for her. She can't have this much luck 3 albums in a row and this will be her first album since hitting her 30's, a hard time for female popstars. I suppose there's no complete certainty but the odds are really stacked against her at this moment. She's such an easily replaceable popstar that no one will miss her and there'll be someone new and younger to take her place real soon. Katy's style is one that appeals to the masses. That style only lasts so long and then you have to give something more and as said above, the public isn't interested in her more mature ballads, so she's driven herself into the ground now.

[Nono 3,576]

6 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

The biggest names won't be there as competition for Gaga now. And you don't think This Is How We Do was a flop? If it hadn't risen a bit at the last minute, it would have tied with MTN as the lowest single peak at #29. And this was the style that had been such a success for her with TD. The public has got bored of her bubblegum pop and they've never let her ballads become as big as her uptempo stuff. She's in a catch 22 situation and at almost 32, she's getting old in the eyes of pop fans and her stuff looks immature compared to what other pop girls are doing. I am positive this is going to be the beginning of the end for her. She can't have this much luck 3 albums in a row and this will be her first album since hitting her 30's, a hard time for female popstars. I suppose there's no complete certainty but the odds are really stacked against her at this moment. She's such an easily replaceable popstar that no one will miss her and there'll be someone new and younger to take her place real soon. Katy's style is one that appeals to the masses. That style only lasts so long and then you have to give something more and as said above, the public isn't interested in her more mature ballads, so she's driven herself into the ground now.

Maybe they will? Maybe this time it will be taylor vs katy vs gaga, we dont know that yet... You are right about some things but we dont know in which direction she will go this time and I believe she knows that she cant go away with the bubble gum pop anymore and she is not working with dr. Luke this time so the songs will be different...

[Bebe 17,094]

7 hours ago, Didymus said:

It tells you you're on a Gaga forum

@Bebe Adding you too.

In all seriousness, the comparison is very unfair. Katy was still touring until October 18th 2015. Gaga's Cheek to Cheek Tour was already over by then It would be very irrational to demand new music from Katy when her last big release (her concert dvd) was on October 30th. That's just seven months ago. A seven month break is no big deal.

Ehh honestly, I don't really know or care what Katy did and I don't think it really makes an impact on my point. It wasn't made to shade or attack her.

I suppose what I really meant by my original comment is that since ARTPOP Gaga has released another album done, another tour, released a single in TIHTY and done countless tribute performances (As well as AHS, editing Vmag, her speeches and all that). I'm sure Katy has also done many projects but it seems like such projects are at, the very most, an equal sort of pegging. 

My point was really that I don't think Gaga is unusual in taking some time to work on her album, I think her 'breaks' like this are comparable to other artists and I think she has probably been performing music far more often than many artists would during this sort of time period.