DeanWinchester 41,390 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said: THANK YOU! I see so many people on here basing their opinions of the music on the sales and charts and bullshit critics reviews and what's sad is that they don't even realise how awful this is. It's just depressing. Ignoring the fact that critics will bash Gaga if she underperforms again does not make it untrue. it is depressing and it is true. Which is why we'd rather she doesn't go through it again. Flyin' like a 1000 Doves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandHeart 993 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said: Okay. I admit I could have worded it differently. But basically my point in the context was that fans who did like ARTPOP could have been due to their preference, and not simply as a desperate act to make the album seem good. I mean ARTPOP the song isn't your conventional pop record but damn does it give me so much life. I feel like it does take me to the skies. And people who don't feel this way with records like this might not get the appeal -OR- not as much as TF/M. And I understand that. But don't say my liking of the song is forced. Ah yes, I see. Well I completely agree with all of that. And I didn't say your liking of the song is forced, I never would. If you don't have shadows you're not standing in the light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanWinchester 41,390 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said: I understand that you want it, but if Gaga wants it it will happen. Gaga has the power to make hits and please the critics if she wants to. She proved it with The Fame. She made her debut with it to catch the attention of everyone, say I'm here bitches and prove that she can do it. From that, to me anyway, anything she does after that, even the most experimental, should just be appreciated for what it is and not blasted for not selling 20 million records, as she's already proved she can make hits and please the critics if she wants to. She didn't make ARTPOP for that and that's why I'm so confused as to why people always make out as if she did and failed in trying to do so. The whole point of the album was to put art in the front, state that she is the artist and can do what she wants, and that pressure from the public and labels don't decide what she does. But if that's what you want I truly believe you won't have to worry. I think she will have a number one hit single and a critically acclaimed album this time. People forget, this is Lady Gaga we're talking about. But I DO APPRECIATE ARTPOP. A lot. I don't see why you would argue as if I didn't. I just didn't want the mess attached to it by her haters and the critics. Flyin' like a 1000 Doves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandHeart 993 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said: Ignoring the fact that critics will bash Gaga if she underperforms again does not make it untrue. it is depressing and it is true. Which is why we'd rather she doesn't go through it again. I'm not denying that the album underperformed, at least to Gaga's standard, and I'm not suggesting that people should ignore the critics for bashing it, they can do whatever they want. I'm saying it's depressing that people, fans, are making opinions and views of the album, not based on their own thoughtful experience with the album, but on the critics reviews and charts performance. That is sad. If you don't have shadows you're not standing in the light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandHeart 993 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said: But I DO APPRECIATE ARTPOP. A lot. I don't see why you would argue as if I didn't. I just didn't want the mess attached to it by her haters and the critics. Okay I should have explained. I'm not targeting you or saying you're not appreciating the album, I'm stating this towards the people who don't in general, just through our discussion. Sorry if you got confused. If you don't have shadows you're not standing in the light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanWinchester 41,390 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said: I'm not denying that the album underperformed, at least to Gaga's standard, and I'm not suggesting that people should ignore the critics for bashing it, they can do whatever they want. I'm saying it's depressing that people, fans, are making opinions and views of the album, not based on their own thoughtful experience with the album, but on the critics reviews and charts performance. That is sad. 1 minute ago, Drunk Poet said: Okay I should have explained. I'm not targeting you or saying you're not appreciating the album, I'm stating this towards the people who don't in general, just through our discussion. Sorry if you got confused. I totally understand your point now. I agree. ARTPOP is an underappreciated gem. The drama overshadowed what was potentially a good era. Flyin' like a 1000 Doves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 54 minutes ago, jylee said: Cause the more money she brings in, the higher her budget for subsequent albums and tours will be (dunno how true, but it makes sense). It also feels good to be stanning for an irrefutable queen This! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Ryan 1,468 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I don't care about sales as long as we get a good number of singles + videos (4 and 4), which we didn't because ARTPOP underperformed we got one video and one random video. Three singles. One of the shortest eras in history and a tour. If she sold more, we would be at a different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Cause Gaga says "music not the bling" When fans want "music and the bling" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaeUrAnus 15,969 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, KING said: Cause Gaga says "music not the bling" When fans want "music and the bling" Everyone knows Gaga said that to cover ARTPOP's disappointing sales. In my messy era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Gaga is a commercial artist, she promotes her work as a product, puts a price tag on it so sales are one of the ways her success is measured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandHeart 993 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said: I totally understand your point now. I agree. ARTPOP is an underappreciated gem. The drama overshadowed what was potentially a good era. Yay. Absolutely. If you don't have shadows you're not standing in the light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Child 18,997 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 30 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said: I understand that you want it, but if Gaga wants it it will happen. Gaga has the power to make hits and please the critics if she wants to. She proved it with The Fame. She made her debut with it to catch the attention of everyone, say I'm here bitches and prove that she can do it. From that, to me anyway, anything she does after that, even the most experimental, should just be appreciated for what it is and not blasted for not selling 20 million records, as she's already proved she can make hits and please the critics if she wants to. She didn't make ARTPOP for that and that's why I'm so confused as to why people always make out as if she did and failed in trying to do so. The whole point of the album was to put art in the front, state that she is the artist and can do what she wants, and that pressure from the public and labels don't decide what she does. But if that's what you want I truly believe you won't have to worry. I think she will have a number one hit single and a critically acclaimed album this time. People forget, this is Lady Gaga we're talking about. Excuse me but she said herself that every song on ARTPOP was made to be a hit so yeah of course she did try to please the GP and failed really hard. Bye. ‘If religion be the cause of disunity, then irreligion is surely to be preferred.’ ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandHeart 993 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 1 minute ago, CrazyMonster said: Excuse me but she said herself that every song on ARTPOP was made to be a hit so yeah of course she did try to please the GP and failed really hard. Bye. No she didn't try to please the GP, how the hell can you say that? And you're actually making me laugh. She obviously meant hit in terms of musical and artistic merit. Not crappy and untrustworthy charts. Gosh you're insufferable. If you don't have shadows you're not standing in the light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Child 18,997 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 15 minutes ago, SlaeUrAnus said: Everyone knows Gaga said that to cover ARTPOP's disappointing sales. But she said herself in the ARTPOP song, "I'm really laughing cause I'm trying to sell myself but I really love the music not the bling". How could she have known ARTPOP the album would have had disappointing sales when she wrote this song? You don't even make sense. ‘If religion be the cause of disunity, then irreligion is surely to be preferred.’ ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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