Q: "Why does everyone care about sales."

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

Just now, A Gaga Lad said:

Of course they are. Why else are fans asking for another TF/M while bashing ARTPOP?

Because they want a return to that level of quality and songwriting and an album with a proper vision and execution. Many of them don't want a new sound at all, they want a 5th EDM album with thumping, dirty beats but they want her to do as good a job of it as she did with the debut. Others may want a totally new direction but again, a return to quality and cohesion

[giskardsb 12,565]

13 minutes ago, CoCo1 said:

Because they want a return to that level of quality and songwriting and an album with a proper vision and execution. Many of them don't want a new sound at all, they want a 5th EDM album with thumping, dirty beats but they want her to do as good a job of it as she did with the debut. Others may want a totally new direction but again, a return to quality and cohesion

If your idea of quality is glossy relatable dance pop with "universal" lyrics, then TF is your standard.  If your idea of quality is with deeper meaning, then BTW or ARTPOP is likely more interesting.    The Lyrics in BTW and ARTPOP are cerrtainly more meaningful and personal to Gaga's own journey.  From that standpoint I'd argue that lyrically BTW and ARTPOP are ahead of TF/M in quality, if only because I understand more of what Gaga's about through them.

[HighlandHeart 993]

7 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

She's talking about the album and as we all know not every damn song on the album is a hit, could you imagine Jewels N Drugs & Dope playing on the radio 24/7? No so they are automatically not hits. 

She said them thanks to her depression which opened her eyes on what she became or what her label/manager/industry made her become, a person who wanted to chart. I'm glad she find herself again cause I'm sure during TF/TFM/BTW she thought exactly like in this 2014 video, but I'm sure that with ARTPOP she got carried away.

They are hits to anyone who likes them. That's the point. I'm actually scared that you value "hits" too much. Like if it's on the radio, it just must be amazing. And if it's not, it must be crap. Charts do not = artistic or musical merit. Just because they didn't get radio play doesn't make them unworthy of being a hit. And the fact that you used the word "automatically" is even more scary. Stop valuing charts and radio play and what they're trying to tell you. It literally means nothing. 

[The Child 18,997]

Just now, Drunk Poet said:

They are hits to anyone who likes them. That's the point. I'm actually scared that you value "hits" too much. Like if it's on the radio, it just must be amazing. And if it's not, it must be crap. Charts do not = artistic or musical merit. Just because they didn't get radio play doesn't make them unworthy of being a hit. And the fact that you used the word "automatically" is even more scary. Stop valuing charts and radio play and what they're trying to tell you. It literally means nothing. 

I think we just don't have the same definition of the word "hit". A hit is a song who has success on the charts, on the radio, on streaming platforms etc ...

The word you're actually looking for is bop, a song you can bop to.

And please don't tell me what to do.

[HighlandHeart 993]

Just now, CrazyMonster said:

I think we just don't have the same definition of the word "hit". A hit is a song who has success on the charts, on the radio, on streaming platforms etc ...

The word you're actually looking for is bop, a song you can bop to.

And please don't tell me what to do.

Yes, that is what a hit is, I just think you give it too much value because you're told to. So for someone who doesn't want to take advice, you certainly love to let yourself being told what to do by the corporations and radio stations. 

And no, that is not the word I'm looking for. As a writer I say this with complete seriousness; I would never use that damn word. 

[The Child 18,997]

Just now, Drunk Poet said:

Yes, that is what a hit is, I just think you give it too much value because you're told to. So for someone who doesn't want to take advice, you certainly love to let yourself being told what to do by the corporations and radio stations. 

And no, that is not the word I'm looking for. As a writer I say this with complete seriousness; I would never use that damn word. 

I'm just laughing so hard right now. A hit is not a random song. Anyway I'm done with you, it was nice chatting with you but there's clearly a misunderstanding between us. It would have been cool to solve this face to face cause I can express myself better in person than behind a computer.

[Rino 5,120]

she is a pop singer, she has to keep up with her numbers. stop pretending that you're stanning for an indie artist  

[RAMROD 109,607]

To me, it is just hypocrisy cos most people here who cares about sales and bash Gaga for low sales didn't even buy CD lmao

The audacity

 

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

32 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

If your idea of quality is glossy relatable dance pop with "universal" lyrics, then TF is your standard.  If your idea of quality is more adventurous, then BTW or ARTPOP is likely more interesting.    The Lyrics in BTW and ARTPOP are cerrtainly more meaningful and personal to Gaga's own journey.  From that standpoint I'd argue that lyrically BTW and ARTPOP are ahead of TF/M in quality.

Nope, quality isn't measured by adventurousness, relatability, introspection, or any other adjectives you can come up with. An album can be deeply personal to the artist, or a wild departure from their previous sound, and still be extremely poorly executed and/or shallow. By your logic Drake's new album is much stronger than any Gaga release, as he talks about his family, relationships, and past on many of the songs, we learn a ton about him and his life, and he ventures into stylistic territories and genre-blending that were relatively unexpected for him and for mainstream music today. But in actuality Drake's album is extremely shallow in it's introspection and comes away saying little of consequence, having no real thematic content, and the production is amateurish and the stylistic departures are really uninspired in their execution.

Same goes for AP and much of BTW. Calling them adventurous does nothing but expose a limited musical frame of reference, as they're extremely accessible and derivative musically. The production values are mediocre on BTW and extremely poor on AP, anonymous songwriting is abound on both, and the latter album is extremely skin-deep lyrically and says almost nothing of consequence about Gaga, art, pop culture, the world, etc. Dope notwithstanding, but that song is completely out of place on the record, and the other albums all have the token ballad as well. I mean you wanted to play the "meaningful","personal" card, Speechless alone trumps the whole of AP anyway, and The Fame is essentially an origin story for the entire "Lady Gaga" persona.

I'd take a properly realized concept with a cohesive sound, lyrical dexterity, charisma, critical value, and great production values and engineering over the above anyday, and that's what The Fame delivers for the most part. Now, my idea of quality isn't "glossy relatable dance pop" as you described anyway, and I don't side with anyone who wants her to retread her past work. But as of now, TF/M are the quality benchmarks of her discography. She can a lot more and I hope she does.

 

[StarstruckIllusion 52,771]

46 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

The thing is many Gaga fans don't just want "good" sales, they need Gaga to be top of the heap.  the only reason for that is to inflate their own self image as a fan, because Gaga can do just fine without doing Taylor Swift numbers.  ARTPOP as still one of the most commercially successful albums of the year, but that wasn't enough for many other fans.  To them it's a flop because a handful of albums performed better.

 

fixed. 

[StarstruckIllusion 52,771]

16 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

To me, it is just hypocrisy cos most people here who cares about sales and bash Gaga for low sales didn't even buy CD lmao

The audacity

 

I bought 2 copies, and ARTPOP went platinum in my country (Canada) :3

[StarstruckIllusion 52,771]

18 minutes ago, CoCo1 said:

Nope, quality isn't measured by adventurousness, relatability, introspection, or any other adjectives you can come up with. An album can be deeply personal to the artist, or a wild departure from their previous sound, and still be extremely poorly executed and/or shallow. By your logic Drake's new album is much stronger than any Gaga release, as he talks about his family, relationships, and past on many of the songs, we learn a ton about him and his life, and he ventures into stylistic territories and genre-blending that were relatively unexpected for him and for mainstream music today. But in actuality Drake's album is extremely shallow in it's introspection and comes away saying little of consequence, having no real thematic content, and the production is amateurish and the stylistic departures are really uninspired in their execution.

Same goes for AP and much of BTW. Calling them adventurous does nothing but expose a limited musical frame of reference, as they're extremely accessible and derivative musically. The production values are mediocre on BTW and extremely poor on AP, anonymous songwriting is abound on both, and the latter album is extremely skin-deep lyrically and says almost nothing of consequence about Gaga, art, pop culture, the world, etc. Dope notwithstanding, but that song is completely out of place on the record, and the other albums all have the token ballad as well. I mean you wanted to play the "meaningful","personal" card, Speechless alone trumps the whole of AP anyway, and The Fame is essentially an origin story for the entire "Lady Gaga" persona.

I'd take a properly realized concept with a cohesive sound, lyrical dexterity, charisma, critical value, and great production values and engineering over the above anyday, and that's what The Fame delivers for the most part. Now, my idea of quality isn't "glossy relatable dance pop" as you described anyway, and I don't side with anyone who wants her to retread her past work. But as of now, TF/M are the quality benchmarks of her discography. She can a lot more and I hope she does.

 

THIS POST IS EVERYTHING YASSS. 

[RAMROD 109,607]

6 minutes ago, ROARyals said:

I bought 2 copies, and ARTPOP went platinum in my country (Canada) :3

That's good, be part of the equation then talk about it. It is fair for wveryone that way.

Sadly many don't here

 

[Ronk 14,762]

44 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said:

You sound like you went into this discussion with a mind set on thinking wishing for good sales is an absolute bad or useless thing.

On the bolded part: although that is true. It still affected her negatively. To deny that is naive. Why do you think she felt the need to rebrand herself?

If truly the only thing she cared about is artistry, she wouldn't even try to tone down her acts and try to win the GP back. She will just keep doing what she used to regardless of the critics' and the GP's perception on her.

I didn't say wishing for good sales is bad.  I said that would bring happiness to any artist, but Gaga is very much also concerned with art and social issues, and perhaps of the three items sales aren't the most important one to Gaga.  Of course, to label and to anyone else tied to Gaga's commercial success, sales is the most important thing.

Gaga loved ARTPOP.  The era got off to a messy start and wasn't as well received as expected, but she still got some of her artistic vision out there for like-minded people to enjoy.  And she made it clear at the start of the era that she was using it so encourage art and creativity in young people worldwide.  Again, her mind is always thinking of ways to help people.

Yes, her acts have been toned down recently.  But she has been into jazz longer than pop, and was brought up on jazz, rock, classical, opera, and show music.  She loves them all and has recently had the opportunity to be multi genre.  I'm sure she is thrilled with her life lately.  What she used to do (pop) is not nearly all she is as an artist.  I'm glad the public is happy to see her other talents and is liking her more.

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

2 hours ago, CoCo1 said:

Nope, quality isn't measured by adventurousness, relatability, introspection, or any other adjectives you can come up with. An album can be deeply personal to the artist, or a wild departure from their previous sound, and still be extremely poorly executed and/or shallow. By your logic Drake's new album is much stronger than any Gaga release, as he talks about his family, relationships, and past on many of the songs, we learn a ton about him and his life, and he ventures into stylistic territories and genre-blending that were relatively unexpected for him and for mainstream music today. But in actuality Drake's album is extremely shallow in it's introspection and comes away saying little of consequence, having no real thematic content, and the production is amateurish and the stylistic departures are really uninspired in their execution.

Same goes for AP and much of BTW. Calling them adventurous does nothing but expose a limited musical frame of reference, as they're extremely accessible and derivative musically. The production values are mediocre on BTW and extremely poor on AP, anonymous songwriting is abound on both, and the latter album is extremely skin-deep lyrically and says almost nothing of consequence about Gaga, art, pop culture, the world, etc. Dope notwithstanding, but that song is completely out of place on the record, and the other albums all have the token ballad as well. I mean you wanted to play the "meaningful","personal" card, Speechless alone trumps the whole of AP anyway, and The Fame is essentially an origin story for the entire "Lady Gaga" persona.

I'd take a properly realized concept with a cohesive sound, lyrical dexterity, charisma, critical value, and great production values and engineering over the above anyday, and that's what The Fame delivers for the most part. Now, my idea of quality isn't "glossy relatable dance pop" as you described anyway, and I don't side with anyone who wants her to retread her past work. But as of now, TF/M are the quality benchmarks of her discography. She can a lot more and I hope she does.

 

God bless this post. I love Born This Way though but I agree The Fame and The Fame Monster are her magnum opuses so far BUT she definitely has potential to top those two albums and I think she will with the next album. Also people seriously need to stop putting Born This Way next to ARTPOP just so they can convince others as if ARTPOP is on the same level of quality as Born This Way. Born This Way fits more with The Fame and The Fame Monster in terms of quality, cohesiveness, and theme based.

To be fair, even Gaga admitted herself back in January 2016 that The Fame and The Fame Monster were her favorite albums when she did that interview with Diane warrenr. That was when this forum had a meltdown because they were expecting her to say Born This Way. She also referred to The Fame and The Fame Monster as her "golds" which pretty much clarifies that they are her best work in GAGAS opinion. When she wrote The Fame and The Fame Monster she had her struggles BUT she didn't let anyone tell her what to do and she was hands on with EVERYTHING even the singles and promotion. Of course she chose to go the electronic route for her first two albums for appeal but it was also genuine as she genuinely loved the music she made.

With Born This Way I know she's proud of it but you can tell she wanted the album to be more experimental but Interscope started restricting her artistic endeavors in 2011 to the point where she couldn't even pick her own singles. She stuck to her guns but with ARTPOP it was obvious she had to dumb down her music and make an album for the charts and that didn't work because Gaga works best when she's making music she wants to make like the fame, the fame monster and born this way TO AN EXTENT. I have a great feeling about this next album because it seems like she's more free and less restricted with her career than she was during born this way and ARTPOP. I don't care what genre the next album will be as long as it's all from her then I know it will be great...as long as its not hip hop though.