Bernie Sanders Could Still Win the Democratic Nomination — No, Seriously

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32 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Her complete inability to win independent support is her real Achilles Heel, but let's ignore the Democratic candidate who actually does do best with all of those groups.

 No one is ignoring Bernie, he simply isn't going to get enough votes to win. He never managed to win over the minority vote. A Democratic nominee has to have that. 

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8 minutes ago, brendablethyn said:

Is that Joe "I would have been the best President" Biden 

Yes, it is. He supports Hillary. 

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13 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Sanders doesn't have momentum. He wins white states or states with caucuses that the majority of voters don't turn out for- especially voters who have jobs, children and commitments. (Women voters and people 30 and up) Bernie does terrible with these age groups, who DO show up to vote in the General election and with minorities. 

Polls at this time of the election mean nothing. Mondale looked like a sure win at this time in the election cycle. Romney looked like he was going to defeat Obama in a landslide. Forty per cent of Hillary's supporters said they wouldn't vote for Obama. Did any of these things happen? 

Hawaii is a white state now? And Clinton only manages to win states that have closed primary states, when you actually open it up to open primaries where anyone can vote for anyone regardless of registration, like, you know, the general, Sanders generally tends to win. And the polls were never this consistent at this point like in those examples. Now that Trump is starting to swing more center with his policies, you best believe he'll be picking up even more independents.

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14 minutes ago, Themysciran said:

yeah, okay sis 

Yeah okay sis isn't a refutation  

 

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11 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Yeah okay sis isn't a refutation  

 

I'm not refuting, i'm damning your logic. It's blatantly wrong, and i'm not extrapolating because i'm tired of wasting my time arguing with people who don't do enough research 

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50 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Hawaii is a white state now? And Clinton only manages to win states that have closed primary states, when you actually open it up to open primaries where anyone can vote for anyone regardless of registration, like, you know, the general, Sanders generally tends to win. And the polls were never this consistent at this point like in those examples. Now that Trump is starting to swing more center with his policies, you best believe he'll be picking up even more independents.

Lol, I knew you woukd pull out the Hawaii argument. Bernie doesn't win the black and Latino vote, which are the minority blocks with major voting power. You are smart enough to know that. 

What about CLOSED v. OPEN contests? Well, out of the 35 contests thus far for democrats, 12 were caucuses, and 23 were primaries.

16 of those primaries were open, and 7 were closed.

3 caucuses were open, and 9 were closed.

Who won those?

Bernie has won: 7 closed caucuses, and 3 open caucuses. 2 closed primaries, and 3 open primaries.

Hillary has won: 2 closed caucuses, and 0 open caucuses. 5 closed primaries, and 13 open primaries.

Therefore:

9 of Bernie's 15 wins come from CLOSED states, be they caucus, or primary.

AND

7 of Hillary's 20 wins come from CLOSED states, be they caucus or primary.

Let's dispel the idea that Bernie's losing because of voter suppression, because he has only won 5 primaries, and caucuses suppress the vote by their very nature. They are undemocratic, not 'one person, one vote,' and leave many poor, disabled, and otherwise stressed and busy people out due to the time commitment inherent in their format.

Let's also dispel the notion that Bernie's losing because of closed states. He's won more in closed states than he has in open ones. The bulk of Hillary's wins come from OPEN primary states, where voting is accessible, and easy for Independents and Democrats.

Sources are here, feel free to check:

https://ballotpedia.org/Closed_primaryhttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_larry_j_sabato/primaries_versus_caucuses_the_score_so_far_in_2016http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/19/bernie-s/sanders-largely-base-saying-we-win-when-voter-turn/

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18 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Hawaii is a white state now? And Clinton only manages to win states that have closed primary states, when you actually open it up to open primaries where anyone can vote for anyone regardless of registration, like, you know, the general, Sanders generally tends to win. And the polls were never this consistent at this point like in those examples. Now that Trump is starting to swing more center with his policies, you best believe he'll be picking up even more independents.

Yes, the polls I referenced were every bit as consistent...even more so, as many of them lasted well beyond the actual nominations. Bernie is not some special snowflake, like his delusional supporters think he is. He is a candidate who ran a race for the nomination and lost. He will be tomorrow's forgotten news soon enough, like all the rest of those who lost along the way. 

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16 minutes ago, Themysciran said:

I'm not refuting, i'm damning your logic. It's blatantly wrong, and i'm not extrapolating because i'm tired of wasting my time arguing with people who don't do enough research 

You can't just say it's blatantly wrong without anything to support that claim and then simply say you're too tired to actually do that  

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Just now, Redstreak said:

You can't just say it's blatantly wrong without anything to support that claim and then simply say you're too tired to actually do that  

I didn't say i'm tired in general, I said i'm tired of dealing with people like you, goodbye

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8 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Yes, the polls I referenced were every bit as consistent...even more so, as many of them lasted well beyond the actual nominations. Bernie is not some special snowflake, like his delusional supporters think he is. He is a candidate who ran a race for the nomination and lost. He will be tomorrow's forgotten news soon enough, like all the rest of those who lost along the way. 

I'll have to wait to respond to all of that once I'm not out running errands

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3 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I'll have to wait to respond to all of that once I'm not out running errands

While you are at it, look up the minority percentages in the US.

Notice that the Native Hawaiian minority group makes up 0.2 per cent, while the Hispanic or Latino group is at 16 per cent and Black group is at 13 per cent. When people refer to minority groups that have a significant role in changing elections, they are not referring to the 0.2 per cent. 

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This thread turned into such a mess 

Anyway, can Bernie still win the nomination? Yeah. Is he going to tho? Mostly likely not. 

Of course, his supporters can keep supproting him all they want, but this race is still gonna end up being Trump vs Hilary. 

Don't let your egos hurt the democratic momentum, and vote Hillary once the general elections start cause whether you're behind Hilary or Bernie, I can assume none of us want Trump to win. 

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8 minutes ago, Whispering said:

While you are at it, look up the minority percentages in the US.

Notice that the Native Hawaiian minority group makes up 0.2 per cent, while the Hispanic or Latino group is at 16 per cent and Black group is at 13 per cent. When people refer to minority groups that have a significant role in changing elections, they are not referring to the 0.2 per cent. 

I will! While I'm at it make sure you continue to lace all your posts with snark, great way to win over votes for Clinton and ensure that I won't vote for her regardless of any outcome  

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1 minute ago, Redstreak said:

I will! While I'm at it make sure you continue to lace all your posts with snark, great way to win over votes for Clinton and ensure that I won't vote for her regardless of any outcome  

I'm not trying to win over your vote. I don't care who you vote for. You can't control my comments by pulling that "win my vote" threat with me. 

Vote for Trump, a third party candidate or not at all...doesn't matter either way to me! 

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8 minutes ago, Whispering said:

I'm not trying to win over your vote. I don't care who you vote for. You can't control my comments by pulling that "win my vote" threat with me. 

Vote for Trump, a third party candidate or not at all...doesn't matter either way to me! 

It seems like it'll matter when she loses a second bid for president.