Dramatica 13,690 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 PreachGa is back I didn't ask for a free ride, I only asked you to show me a real good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBNLM 1,640 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 some of you are just sad- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 28 minutes ago, Florian said: So all start with the sinner by Luke that is identified as Mary of Bethany in the Gospel of John (11). There's your first clue It's the only Gospel that does, and ironically it's the Gospel that deviates from the others to a dramatic degree in nearly all of the events described and the writing style. 28 minutes ago, Florian said: Finally, for those reasons (time, behaviour and audacity) I don't see why Mary M. could not be Mary of B. Do you get where I'm coming from? Nothing delusional or misogynist, just thirst for history and interesting characters. I think first of all you treat the Gospels as if they can be placed next to each other without a problem They are all very different, sometimes to a shocking degree (cue none of Jesus' birth stories matching). It's easy to take bits and pieces from each one (which is exactly what theologians in the Middle Ages did to prove Mary M. was a prostitute) and collect a story, but the truth is that it's idiotic to look at the texts that way. They have to be read separately if you want to understand their meaning. You can't forget that these texts have absolutely nothing to do with each other, borrowings aside. Their placement together as authoritative Gospels is an idea that only emerged very late. If you really wanted to trace the character in early Christian thought you'd have to analyze all the non-canonical writings as well, and you'll easily see that it's simply impossible they're all magically writing about the same thing and you can collate a new story out of pieces of each. I mean you could do that, but then you have to acknowlege you're just creating fiction. As for your actual argument, I just don't get why you expect anyone to take that seriously If they're the same, then why did the oral tradition and, in consequence, the writings preserve a different interpretation for no apparent reason? Why did the authors distinguish the three Mary's at all? Why do all Gospels separate Mary of Magdalene from the others distinctively as someone who witnessed Jesus' resurrection? It's a lot harder to answer that question than to find hidden connections that aren't necessarily there, which is more proof than anything that the idea to even find a connection between the women is already influenced by the pre-existing notion that Mary of Magdalene is the sinful woman. I don't know what you mean by the "French tradition" (which surely couldn't exist in antiquity), obviously that's just a reinterpretation of Luke (Mary of Bethany, Martha and Lazarus were siblings) influenced by the Medieval decision to equate Mary of Bethany with Mary of Magdalene. I don't see how that would prove anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian 19,982 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 18 minutes ago, Didymus said: There's your first clue It's the only Gospel that does, and ironically it's the Gospel that deviates from the others to a dramatic degree in nearly all of the events described and the writing style. I think first of all you treat the Gospels as if they can be placed next to each other without a problem They are all very different, sometimes to a shocking degree (cue none of Jesus' birth stories matching). It's easy to take bits and pieces from each one (which is exactly what theologians in the Middle Ages did to prove Mary M. was a prostitute) and collect a story, but the truth is that it's idiotic to look at the texts that way. They have to be read separately if you want to understand their meaning. The other Gospels refers to a head unction. I'm convinced that drying feet with hair wasn't that common. Isn't it weird that two Gospels refer to this? Would it be possible that two different women did that? Probably but I don't think so, if it was that common nobody would have been surprised when Mary of B did it. Why could this not be the same scene but told by two different apostle ? 27 minutes ago, Didymus said: I don't know what you mean by the "French tradition" (which surely couldn't exist in antiquity), obviously that's just a reinterpretation of Luke (Mary of Bethany, Martha and Lazarus were siblings) influenced by the Medieval decision to equate Mary of Bethany with Mary of Magdalene. I don't see how that would prove anything. Lazarus was the first bishop of Marseille, a big city not far from mine. Mary M had a huge influence there and in the tradition she retired in a cave in the Sainte-Baume (you may know this name, it's a pilgrimage site) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,918 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 She's turning into Justin Bieber. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperIz 7,346 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I'm proud of her! I love what she's doing. I relate to this a lot. Gaga is my hero in so many ways Human generated art Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauntingHollow 4,310 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 imma put an ear condom on and pretend this did not happen You can not hide if nobody pays attention to you :* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan 3,900 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 She's totally right though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaeUrAnus 15,976 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I don't even understand her In my messy era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,141 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I don't understand what is the new here: Gaga has always been Catholic, but she said she had internal struggles over religion throughout her life, (that maybe explains Judas and Alejandro) but now she is in a good place with her religion and she never said she is no longer Catholic. btw, Judas song is 100 percent Catholic: "Jesus is my virtue, Judas is the demon I cling to" She is talking about that we all are sinners and we have temptations but Jesus is our virtue. and that is hundred percent Christian, she has always been consistent I'm sorry for the satan worshippers, Gaga is not that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,141 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 49 minutes ago, Moncher said: imma put an ear condom on and pretend this did not happen maybe you dont know her, see my previous post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseaaaaaa 1,453 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 As I said before, while I'm not religious I respect her choice to be unless she pulls a 180 and goes Prince on my a$$. Then, and only then, yes, I will have a huge problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uyimermaid 97 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 her like a prayer is coming.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperIz 7,346 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I just read this whole thread and omg you guys are really mean spirited. She's allowed to be spiritual. Being spiritual does not equals being religious and even then what's so bad that it makes her happy? The intolerance here is simply astounding. It's not as if her whole career is revolving around Christian themes, only a bit of what she's posting is spiritual and again....why is this a bad thing? You guys suck. Human generated art Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliie 1,829 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 She's Catholic and famous. Deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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