Didymus 34,380 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 44 minutes ago, Florian said: You're both right and wrong. Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany and the sinner (I don't know how it's translated in English ) are the same woman since the 6th century by Catholic Church. It is not the case for Orthodox and Protestant Church I don't get how that makes me wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian 19,982 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Didymus said: I don't get how that makes me wrong You used the word "myth" implying that Mary M. can't be Mary of Bethany/the sinner. Yet we can't proove that she is not the same person (just like we can't proove that she is ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 24 minutes ago, MelbHawker said: I can't reason with Gaga fans who are disapproving of her 'worshipping' of a faith that once punished homosexuals. Is she meant to be non-religious because throughout history, other people of her faith were homophobic extremists? Do people honestly think atheists are not homophobic and responsible for violence toward homosexuals? Religion is not the cause of the issue humanity still has with homosexuality. Moronic individuals discovered it was easy to justify their disgusting attitude and actions by using their religion because of the innocent connotation that religion has with almost anything. To those who have an issue, wake the f*ck up and quit being so simple minded about this. F*ck me I can't stand the stupidity. The Catholic Church's persecution and demonetization of homosexuals is not ancient history. They may have ditched the burning pyre, but the Church's official stance on homosexuality today is that it is a disorder. Just because the Catholic Church is a religious organization and not a secular organization doesn't mean it should be spared criticism over it's teachings. Expecting a gay rights activist to practice her Christian faith at a church that does not dehumanize homosexuality is not stupid, or simple minded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asana15 16,648 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 @boobtank Becky Roach's tweet in response: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Florian said: You used the word "myth" implying that Mary M. can't be Mary of Bethany/the sinner. Yet we can't proove that she is not the same person (just like we can't proove that she is ) Myth is a widely believed thing that can't or hasn't been disproven, it does not mean that it is false. that is what a rumor is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheTripper 866 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Just now, SKANK said: The Catholic Church's persecution and demonetization of homosexuals is not ancient history. They may have ditched the burning pyre, but the Church's official stance on homosexuality today is that it is a disorder. Just because the Catholic Church is a religious organization and not a secular organization doesn't mean it should be spared criticism over it's teachings. Expecting a gay rights activist to practice her Christian faith at a church that does not dehumanize homosexuality is not stupid, or simple minded. I was waiting for you to come and make some sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Florian said: You used the word "myth" implying that Mary M. can't be Mary of Bethany/the sinner. Yet we can't proove that she is not the same person (just like we can't proove that she is ) You're saying a connection made hundreds of years after the writings took off makes it possible in any way that they got it right and all the Christians in the first five centuries got it wrong? Don't embarrass yourself. They didn't base the connection on new-found texts or whatever. Just on nothing but a bias against women. It was unthinkable that what the Gospels imply was Jesus' most important disciple (Mary M.) was an ordinary woman. She had to be a wh-re who repented for her sins through Jesus. Connected to the moral philosophy of the time concerning women there is simply not even a 0.01% chance that the connection wasn't based on pure misogyny. We can prove they're not the same woman by simple logic. Even the non-canonical writings don't make the connection between the women. Textual analysis shows that all the Mary's in the Gospels were carefully distinguished from each other, making the odds that Luke is writing about the same woman (who he distinguishes carefully at the end, but for some impossible reason not at the anointing of Jesus' feet? Why wouldn't he have done so?) close to nihil. Anyone who claims that the possibility of them actually being identical is equal to them not being identical is either delusionally apologetic about Catholic tradition or a misogynist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog 1,921 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 She needs to chill it with the religion stuff, it starts getting creepy. She will alienate half of her fanbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer 9,227 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Gaga clocks Becky with the good hair. That's what you get for messing with Godyonce. I love judas SO MUCH but I canʹt look like a copycat of JLO!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer 9,227 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 17 minutes ago, Kermit the frog said: She needs to chill it with the religion stuff, it starts getting creepy. She will alienate half of her fanbase. Something tells me she's looking for new fans. I love judas SO MUCH but I canʹt look like a copycat of JLO!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemyhand 634 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 ok, I'm going catholic now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamember 667 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I try to ignore religious-ga unless it's artistic like Judas, which I LOVE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian 19,982 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 2 hours ago, LG said: Myth is a widely believed thing that can't or hasn't been disproven, it does not mean that it is false. that is what a rumor is I'm deeply convinced that the definition of myth in english is the same as in French and the word is only associated with imaginary, supernatural, fiction and ideal. As an atheist I'm quite contredicting myself because I think Bible is a myth but the identifaction of Mary M is not something supernatural. (this sentence sounded way better in my head but I hope you get what I tried to say). 2 hours ago, Didymus said: You're saying a connection made hundreds of years after the writings took off makes it possible in any way that they got it right and all the Christians in the first five centuries got it wrong? Don't embarrass yourself. They didn't base the connection on new-found texts or whatever. Just on nothing but a bias against women. It was unthinkable that what the Gospels imply was Jesus' most important disciple (Mary M.) was an ordinary woman. She had to be a wh-re who repented for her sins through Jesus. Connected to the moral philosophy of the time concerning women there is simply not even a 0.01% chance that the connection wasn't based on pure misogyny. We can prove they're not the same woman by simple logic. Even the non-canonical writings don't make the connection between the women. Textual analysis shows that all the Mary's in the Gospels were carefully distinguished from each other, making the odds that Luke is writing about the same woman (who he distinguishes carefully at the end, but for some impossible reason not at the anointing of Jesus' feet? Why wouldn't he have done so?) close to nihil. Anyone who claims that the possibility of them actually being identical is equal to them not being identical is either delusionally apologetic about Catholic tradition or a misogynist. I've never denied the misogyny of the Roman Church and I do not pretend to know the Bible (that's your study field if I remember). However the character of Mary M. has always fascinated me and I read a lot about it. -------------------- So all start with the sinner by Luke that is identified as Mary of Bethany in the Gospel of John (11). In the next chapter, Mary M. is introduced like a woman cured from demons. Then, two chapters later for the Gospel of Luke, when Jesus went to visit Martha in her house Mary (of B.) is here and both Luke and John describe her like someone fascinated and hanging on Jesus' every words, she even had the audacity to not help her sister just to listen to him. For the second unction, as hinted in the Gospel of John, it's Mary of B. again who used the same technique like the first one. Once again, someone didn't understand why she was doing it but Jesus did (again, she has audacity to not care about other's opinion). Then we have no news from Mary of B, only Mary M. being everywhere around Jesus the next few days. We can see that Mary of B. was worshipping Jesus. Isn't it weird that such of a follower just disappear ? In my opinion, this woman had the audacity, as shown before, to face the excited crowd at the bottom of the cross (Mary M.) and was facinated enough to go to Jesus' gravestone (Mary M again). Moreover, in the French tradition, Lazarus, Martha and Mary M. came to Marseille to convert the area. Why would the three travel together? Finally, for those reasons (time, behaviour and audacity) I don't see why Mary M. could not be Mary of B. Do you get where I'm coming from? Nothing delusional or misogynist, just thirst for history and interesting characters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takemyhand 634 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Clip said: I love how every thread about every possible topic (but specially if it is about religion) becomes an elaborated debate with deep thoughts when will other popstars forums? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoHeaven23 35,007 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 5 hours ago, gag said: @DiscoHeaven23 More proof she's Becky OMFG it's real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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