Muslim teen called "Isis" in yearbook

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idk, but I like Isis tho.

[Rolodex of Hate 1,761]

6 minutes ago, Versace said:

Please read my reply to JDi

 and by people like you, I'm honestly not trying to come for you but I feel a lot of people say don't play that card or that card, are being some what ignorant. I mean hey I don't know you but who knows, you may not have a card to play and that's why it's not nice to view forms of discriminations as cards. The metaphor of cards just rubs me the wrong way. At the end of the day this woman was hurt by this mistake. It's like catching your husband in bed with someone and them saying oh don't think of it the wrong way. Like what do you mean off course this girl is gonna feel like she's being attacked. The same way we treat crimes with punishments whether they are on purpose or not , we should consider such mistakes as forms of discrimination. Otherwise **** like this will happen again and again, in her defense and to your point they are using the "mistake" card. 

I know, it's natural for her to feel it could be an attack, I never said it wasn't. But we have no right to assume it isn't a mistake. There's no proof either way. This can be summarised in my previously reply:

I agree, it may or may not have been a mistake, possibly it wasn't, in which case then it's disgusting. However, whenever anything like this happens, everyone seems so quick to jump to RACIST! or SEXIST! or HOMOPHOBIC! without actually considering the possibility that we aren't all inherently discriminatory and we do make mistakes/say the wrong things

And please refrain from using 'people like you'. Apologies if my comment came across as being abrasive, that wasn't the intention, but 'people like you' dehumanises me - heck, isn't that exactly what we don't want?

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

2 minutes ago, ItsVenusBitch said:

Having been on a yearbook committee before, this was probably on purpose, things can be really shady behind the curtain  

 

 

 

 

[Versace 8,080]

4 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

People here tend to be quick to demonize before having the proper context.

Don't be shocked if you get attacked for having a more rational level-headed perspective.

I doubt this was a mistake though. It was probably a student being an idiot like they tend to be at that age, thinking it was funny to switch names. The name also doesn't stand out during editing (like obscenities) so it's fair to assume that the school board did not notice it and are now taking the proper measures.

This girl was hurt though and that needs to be acknowledged, just not at the expense of everything else.

 

But then again that is just a natural reaction 

Like I said using the card metaphor is somewhat ignorant in my opinion and there is a set of people who use that metaphor. Sometimes a rational level-headed perspective is delusion and ignorance. 

 

[LaLuna 12,732]

Regrettable misprint my ass. I suppose if someone had called a gay student a fa***t they would've let it slide as well? 

 

[Versace 8,080]

2 minutes ago, Rolodex of Hate said:

I know, it's natural for her to feel it could be an attack, I never said it wasn't. But we have no right to assume it isn't a mistake. There's no proof either way. This can be summarised in my previously reply:

I agree, it may or may not have been a mistake, possibly it wasn't, in which case then it's disgusting. However, whenever anything like this happens, everyone seems so quick to jump to RACIST! or SEXIST! or HOMOPHOBIC! without actually considering the possibility that we aren't all inherently discriminatory and we do make mistakes/say the wrong things

And please refrain from using 'people like you'. Apologies if my comment came across as being abrasive, that wasn't the intention, but 'people like you' dehumanises me - heck, isn't that exactly what we don't want?

 

Yea, I'm sorry for that tbh 

it's just in the heat of the moment things get touchy , cause I honestly feel for her and I wanted to emphasise on that as much as possible

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

2 minutes ago, Versace said:

But then again that is just a natural reaction 

Like I said using the card metaphor is somewhat ignorant in my opinion and there is a set of people who use that metaphor. Sometimes a rational level-headed perspective is delusion and ignorance. 

 

Right but it's up to us to transcend that natural reaction and think about things logically.

If you see a man holding a knife over a bleeding person, your first reaction might be that he stabbed him. Perhaps he was just running by and saw a stabbed man on the floor, and took out the knife to start treating the wound. Why assume that he is guilty?

That's why we wait until guilt is proven before making assumptions.

And no, it is never delusion to believe the best in people. It's called optimism. It's often wrong, but we don't operate under the assumption that everyone is out to get everyone else.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Versace said:

Yea, I'm sorry for that tbh 

it's just in the heat of the moment things get touchy , cause I honestly feel for her and I wanted to emphasise on that as much as possible

It's important to acknowledge that people were hurt in the process, that's for sure.

One doesn't have to do it at the expense of everything else though. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

4 minutes ago, TheCountess said:

Regrettable misprint my ass. I suppose if someone had called a gay student a fa***t they would've let it slide as well? 

 

Well that would have probably shown up in editing.

Maybe Nelly Bottom would have passed the screening process. I'm sure if the guy looked a little feminine some people here would be saying: "did they lie?"  

[Versace 8,080]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

Right but it's up to us to transcend that natural reaction and think about things logically.

If you see a man holding a knife over a bleeding person, your first reaction might be that he stabbed him. Perhaps he was just running by and saw a stabbed man on the floor, and took out the knife to start treating the wound. Why assume that he is guilty?

That's why we wait until guilt is shown before making assumptions.

And no, it is never delusion to believe the best in people. It's called optimism. It's often wrong, but we don't operate under the assumption that everyone is out to get everyone else. 

 

 

I wish it was that easy sadly the nature of today is 

"everyone is out to get everyone else"

and I'm glad you are able to stay optimistic but lately our society has been corrupted like never before and I'm not a saint to talk , just sayin.

 

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4 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Right but it's up to us to transcend that natural reaction and think about things logically.

If you see a man holding a knife over a bleeding person, your first reaction might be that he stabbed him. Perhaps he was just running by and saw a stabbed man on the floor, and took out the knife to start treating the wound. Why assume that he is guilty?

That's why we wait until guilt is proven before making assumptions.

And no, it is never delusion to believe the best in people. It's called optimism. It's often wrong, but we don't operate under the assumption that everyone is out to get everyone else.

Couldn't have put it better

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Versace said:

I wish it was that easy sadly the nature of today is 

"everyone is out to get everyone else"

and I'm glad you are able to stay optimistic but lately our society has been corrupted like never before and I'm not a saint to talk , just sayin.

 

A little bit pessimistic I think.

People are more concerned with themselves than others.

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20 minutes ago, Rolodex of Hate said:

I agree, it may or may not have been a mistake, possibly it wasn't, in which case then it's disgusting. However, whenever anything like this happens, everyone seems so quick to jump to RACIST! or SEXIST! or HOMOPHOBIC! without actually considering the possibility that we aren't all inherently discriminatory and we do make mistakes/say the wrong things

This isn't the best example to say this at..., but there are also people who will go through hoops to immediately claim "WE CAN KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS! DON'T PULL THE "X" CARD" without considering the possibility that people ARE discriminatory and awful to each other and are in fact raised that way; most people say and do some level of racist thing every single day This is equally as bad in my mind and really just as common. The unbiased, purely logical middle ground is often not actually unbiased.

It is true that people cannot objectively know the circumstances of a situation without all of the evidence, but to say that we must immediately always assume innocence when we can assume NOTHING is equally as misguided in a court of public opinion (the law is different  ) 

The same people go through these hoops when there is significant evidence to the contrary of their position as well. If there is tons of evidence that a woman was raped by a popular guy, people will still say the guy didn't rape her unless they literally find a video tape and they will claim that even the video tape is doctored at times  

I dont think there's anything wrong with people discussing the outcomes, even if both sides profess to know more than is actually possible. Otherwise, this discussion would go like this:

"This is bad if its true, but if its not then its whatever" from every single person

This might seem logical, but its not always the objectively best position. A racist does something discriminatory; he gets away with it because he does not leave obvious evidence that he did X with racist intentions, but he did in fact do so. In this case, logic has lost the discussion. Unless your argument that logic will scrutinize things to "this is the least that we can get them for" - at which point Justice is a compromise (as it often is in the law). The public court of opinion can provide much needed discourse that does not necessarily agree with the laws version of how things happened.

It's important to note that many discriminatory actions or beliefs are often coded in a way that they don't seem discriminatory to the general public. Think the law legalizing discrimination time and time again throughout history. It's never been like "Niggers are dumb", but it essentially always has been. There's PLENTY of historical reasons for marginalized groups to assume the worse of two possible choices when it's all they've known (attributional ambiguity) and plenty of reason for in-power groups to assume the best of people (because it paints them in a bad light).

 

Just things to consider  

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I saw this on Twitter and thought the girl's name really was Isis.  

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, pink sushi said:

I saw this on Twitter and thought the girl's name really was Isis.  

I love the name Isis tbh