Lorde Stanning Hard for Into You

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

8 hours ago, Harry said:

maybe lorde just grew up and realised that people can act in whatever way they find to be most empowering. others should try and realise that too.

That's exactly what I was talking about. That's precisely the reason why I don't like very young artists getting fame when they've not become official adults and are still finding themselves, especially when they're girls. The break out onto the scene at 16/17 and the critics and public praise them for being such smart, dignified, upstanding young ladies and give them props for creating music that isn't sex-focused and not wearing slutty clothes, especially considering everyone else their age thinks its cool. What a difference from the old days when a 16 year old Britney was parading around in a sexualised schoolgirl outfit asking to hit me baby one more time! But then, around the second, or maybe third album, something starts to slowly change. The dresses get shorter and tighter, they start wearing more make up, the songs become more suggestive. And their fans who have been there since the beginning are all: "What happened to her? She's such a sellout ho now!" But in reality, she just grew up and naturally, started thinking feminine dressing wasn't all that bad, lost her virginity, discovered the beauty of sex and started wanting to write songs about this wonderful experience. It only looks slutty in comparison to what they did before. If they'd started out in the business as their older age with this style, they wouldn't have attracted this criticism. Which is why I prefer artists waiting until they're at least 18 to get a record deal, or even better, 21. Because their old style can look childish, pretentious or tryhard looking back on it in years to come and they can look like a sellout when all they did was just grow up.

[Harry 26,836]

6 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

That's exactly what I was talking about. That's precisely the reason why I don't like very young artists getting fame when they've not become official adults and are still finding themselves, especially when they're girls. The break out onto the scene at 16/17 and the critics and public praise them for being such smart, dignified, upstanding young ladies and give them props for creating music that isn't sex-focused and not wearing slutty clothes, especially considering everyone else their age thinks its cool. What a difference from the old days when a 16 year old Britney was parading around in a sexualised schoolgirl outfit asking to hit me baby one more time! But then, around the second, or maybe third album, something starts to slowly change. The dresses get shorter and tighter, they start wearing more make up, the songs become more suggestive. And their fans who have been there since the beginning are all: "What happened to her? She's such a sellout ho now!" But in reality, she just grew up and naturally, started thinking feminine dressing wasn't all that bad, lost her virginity, discovered the beauty of sex and started wanting to write songs about this wonderful experience. It only looks slutty in comparison to what they did before. If they'd started out in the business as their older age with this style, they wouldn't have attracted this criticism. Which is why I prefer artists waiting until they're at least 18 to get a record deal, or even better, 21. Because their old style can look childish, pretentious or tryhard looking back on it in years to come and they can look like a sellout when all they did was just grow up.

Literally nothing you just said made any sense. What even is your argument here?

And the fact that you describe these girls as "slutty" is utterly disgraceful

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

16 hours ago, Harry said:

Literally nothing you just said made any sense. What even is your argument here?

And the fact that you describe these girls as "slutty" is utterly disgraceful

My argument is that getting fame too young means that when your ideas about life inevitably change with age and maturity, it'll make you look like a sellout. If you'd waited until adulthood to achieve fame, your ideas would have been established and therefore look completely normal. I gave the example of Avril Lavigne because when she started out with her skater girl style and pop punk songs about being real, it provided a harsh contrast to when she started wearing dresses and heels and doing mainstream happy pop songs later on. People called her a sellout when all she'd done was grow up and wanted to be more feminine. I'm saying the same thing is happening with Lorde. Or she's just taking this dramatic u-turn to get some relevancy back.

I didn't say these girls were slutty, I was just talking about how provocative dressing gets called this. One of the things Lorde was praised for when she broke out was not dressing slutty. If she starts dressing provocative in the future, she's going to get somewhat of a backlash for selling out.

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On May 9, 2016 at 4:36 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

Anyone else notice how Lorde seems to have taken a massive u-turn on popstars and pop culture approximately one year after her album that was supposed to be dissing all that stuff? I mean, she put down some female singers for being too submissive in their songs and that there was too much emphasis on shock value rather than music back when she'd had success with Royals, but a year later, she started changing. When Kim K did that Paper shoot, Lorde went on Twitter and posted about the article saying "OMG, mom!" later clarifying that she meant she looked so amazing that she wished she were her mom. Odd for a girl who never sexualised herself and criticised those who did. Then she recently said that she was loving Rihanna's Anti album, despite Rihanna being another artist who she would normally criticise for being too sexual, submissive and loving shock value. And now she's praising another sexual singer, Ariana, for a pop song that's the antithesis of the music she herself makes. Oh, yeah, and she made that Magnets song with Disclosure, where she was sexual in it.

Is Lorde worried about losing relevancy because she's not come out with a new album in nearly 3 years and is pretty much considered a one hit wonder? So she feels the need to sellout? Because she's taken one of the biggest u-turns I've ever seen. Yeah, she apparently said shortly after the release of her album that she's actually sex positive and just thinks that style wouldn't work for her and her music but that she's not against anyone else using it. But again, this was when she was criticising women for being too sexual. This is partly why I don't agree with very young artists getting record deals and becoming big stars because at this time, you're still finding yourself, you view sexuality a different way, your views can change. And it'll mean you'll look like a sellout if you're more sexual with your next album when in reality, you just grew up and started having new views. Avril Lavigne was a big casualty of this concept. To her fans, it looked like she'd sold out and gone all preppy, when in reality, she'd just become an adult, had just got married and thus, had a desire to look more feminine and ladylike.

She was 17 when she came onto the scene. Underage. Prude. Innocence. She is growing up and sex becomes a bigger part of life for people as they age just saying.

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

20 hours ago, holyscheisse said:

She was 17 when she came onto the scene. Underage. Prude. Innocence. She is growing up and sex becomes a bigger part of life for people as they age just saying.

Which is exactly what I've been arguing. Getting fame too young makes growing up look like selling out.

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On 5/9/2016 at 1:36 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

Anyone else notice how Lorde seems to have taken a massive u-turn on popstars and pop culture approximately one year after her album that was supposed to be dissing all that stuff? I mean, she put down some female singers for being too submissive in their songs and that there was too much emphasis on shock value rather than music back when she'd had success with Royals, but a year later, she started changing. When Kim K did that Paper shoot, Lorde went on Twitter and posted about the article saying "OMG, mom!" later clarifying that she meant she looked so amazing that she wished she were her mom. Odd for a girl who never sexualised herself and criticised those who did. Then she recently said that she was loving Rihanna's Anti album, despite Rihanna being another artist who she would normally criticise for being too sexual, submissive and loving shock value. And now she's praising another sexual singer, Ariana, for a pop song that's the antithesis of the music she herself makes. Oh, yeah, and she made that Magnets song with Disclosure, where she was sexual in it.

Is Lorde worried about losing relevancy because she's not come out with a new album in nearly 3 years and is pretty much considered a one hit wonder? So she feels the need to sellout? Because she's taken one of the biggest u-turns I've ever seen. Yeah, she apparently said shortly after the release of her album that she's actually sex positive and just thinks that style wouldn't work for her and her music but that she's not against anyone else using it. But again, this was when she was criticising women for being too sexual. This is partly why I don't agree with very young artists getting record deals and becoming big stars because at this time, you're still finding yourself, you view sexuality a different way, your views can change. And it'll mean you'll look like a sellout if you're more sexual with your next album when in reality, you just grew up and started having new views. Avril Lavigne was a big casualty of this concept. To her fans, it looked like she'd sold out and gone all preppy, when in reality, she'd just become an adult, had just got married and thus, had a desire to look more feminine and ladylike.

People can change their views you know? She probably realized that she has no right to judge people for doing/acting what they love.

Before I came out, I was homophobic, and then I realized there's no point in hiding it.

She grew up. That's all.