Trump open to raising taxes on the rich

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

3 minutes ago, Whispering said:

People don't get that situations and the world changes over the last eight to ten years, I guess. 

The funny part being that most people here weren't even old enough to know who Hillary was.

[FATCAT 60,886]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

She doesn't oppose the TPP, nor does she demonize the Keystone pipeline.

http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/keystone-xl-pipeline-fact-check-is-it-really-bad-for-the-environment-and-good-for-the-economy?__lsa=90a2-1eab

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/03/17/are-trade-agreements-good-for-americans

She just realizes it did not have the intended effect and changed her mind about it AFTER evaluations.

See there's a difference in context here. These aren't nebulous stances that anyone can claim. She actually exercised her beliefs and, through experience, changed her position after reevaluating.

It's hardly comparable to this situation.

And again, two years is a very long time, far longer than a week.

Trump on the other hand has never been in elected office, hs never exercised his beliefs, and is merely switching from position to position for no reason other than to attract followers.

Stop trying to equate Hillary to Trump. t get that you dislike her but this is ignorant.

I'm not equating her to Trump, but she'd flipflopped throughout her political career, something that Trump has also done. Also, I find if ironic that you say two years in a long time to hold a view on something, but we're electing someone for their CURRENT views for 4 YEARS. How are we supposed to trust someone like that to do what you voted them in for?

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, FATCAT said:

I'm not equating her to Trump, but she'd flipflopped throughout her political career, something that Trump has also done. Also, I find if ironic that you say two years in a long time to hold a view on something, but we're electing someone for their CURRENT views for 4 YEARS. How are we supposed to trust someone like that to do what you voted them in for?

You trust them because you know they have the capacity to change their stances upon learning new information.

It makes them flexible to adapt to representation and not inflexible in the face of crisis.

Do you want a politician to be rigid in their beliefs? What kind of politician is that? Someone who will hold your country back as it continues to evolve. Even Sanders' beliefs now will have to adapt to how the future unravels.

Just look at the GOP and how it's so out of sync with the US population because they are incapable of evolving.

[FATCAT 60,886]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

You trust them because you know they have the capacity to change their stances upon learning new information.

It makes them flexible to adapt to representation.

Do you want a politician to be rigid in their beliefs? What kind of politician is that? Someone who will hold your country back as it continues to evolve. Even Sanders' beliefs now will have to adapt to how the future unravels.

Just look at the GOP and how it's so out of sync with the US population because they are incapable of evolving.

That's not what I'm saying at all. Hillary has changed her policies around the same time she's about to run for something. Instead of having a politician that adapts to new information, she's changing her stances to pull in as many voters as possible, whether she believes it or not. She's opportunistic. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

3 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

That's not what I'm saying at all. Hillary has changed her policies around the same time she's about to run for something. Instead of having a politician that adapts to new information, she's changing her stances to pull in as many voters as possible, whether she believes it or not. She's opportunistic. 

She reveals her full list of policies every time she runs because that's how it works. The last time she made her policies clear was when she ran in 2007-2008 for the presidential race. The next time was around 2013 when she started her second attempt at election. She didn't run for elected office in between, simply acting as Secretary of State where her policies are irrelevant.

She's run for so many positions that it's clear that there will be discrepancies over time.

You assume that her approach to policies did not evolve over time and was rather a continuous position until updated. Do you think she just woke up one morning and flipped a switch?

You want to think it's opportunistic. That's a pessimistic outlook, that once compared to Hillary's actual accomplishments, is nothing short of presumptuous.

[Whispering 18,865]

6 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

Jane has done his taxes for years on TurboTax, and by hand before that. It's not like they can afford to have entire teams dedicated to their taxes. It takes time to get all of these records. Also, I've donated to his campaign, and I consider the trip to the Vatican, to which he was an invited guest to speak of moral economics, a very important visit. Not upset in the slightest. It's campaign funds. Hmm.

That's right, TurboTax. That means that she can easily pull up every year, from any location, and print off every page of every year. It takes less than ten minutes to get several years of tax records off of TurboTax. Bernie is simply refusing to turn them over and he is making up excuses that anyone who has ever done their own taxes knows is BS. 

Lol, his bud got him a ten minute talk during a coffee break. He took advantage of that and took his whole family on an extremely expensive mini-vacation. His family could eat Lobster and drink the finest champagne, which college kids were sending in their ramen noodle money. 

[FATCAT 60,886]

21 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Lol, his bud got him a ten minute talk during a coffee break. He took advantage of that and took his whole family on an extremely expensive mini-vacation. His family could eat Lobster and drink the finest champagne, which college kids were sending in their ramen noodle money. 

Are you ****ing serious? Do I have to bring up Clinton's multi-million fundraisers that she claims went to the states down-ticket candidates, that actually went RIGHT BACK into her campaign. You're acting like an invitation to speak at the Vatican was some sham. It was an honor, and the funds were used fairly.

Also, TurboTax has only recently been cloud sourced, which Bernie released. Before that, it was a CD on your computer, no internet required. It's not as simple as you claim.

[FATCAT 60,886]

30 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Do you think she just woke up one morning and flipped a switch?

You want to think it's opportunistic. That's a pessimistic outlook, that once compared to Hillary's actual accomplishments, is nothing short of presumptuous.

No, I think her team said "LGBT rights are now a hot issue, let's take advantage"

It's not presumptuous, it's not pessimistic, it's realistic. 

[Whispering 18,865]

35 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

You trust them because you know they have the capacity to change their stances upon learning new information.

It makes them flexible to adapt to representation and not inflexible in the face of crisis.

Do you want a politician to be rigid in their beliefs? What kind of politician is that? Someone who will hold your country back as it continues to evolve. Even Sanders' beliefs now will have to adapt to how the future unravels.

Just look at the GOP and how it's so out of sync with the US population because they are incapable of evolving.

People thrive when they are flexible and pragmatic. The qualities of being rigid and dogmatic are not ones that lead to growth. 

We want politicians who grow and evolve in issues! 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, FATCAT said:

No, I think her team said "LGBT rights are now a hot issue, let's take advantage"

It's not presumptuous, it's not pessimistic, it's realistic. 

You have insider knowledge of her team?

Forgive me I didn't realize.

[FATCAT 60,886]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

You have insider knowledge of her team?

Forgive me I didn't realize.

No, I have her own statements with the times she changed course.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, FATCAT said:

No, I have her own statements with the times she changed course.

Right, and as I've said repeatedly over dozens of threads, a decade is more than enough time to change course naturally.

[FATCAT 60,886]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Right, and as I've said repeatedly over dozens of threads, a decade is more than enough time to change course naturally.

Well, it's within your own right to be duped by opportunistic politics.

[Whispering 18,865]

2 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

Are you ****ing serious? Do I have to bring up Clinton's multi-million fundraisers that she claims went to the states down-ticket candidates, that actually went RIGHT BACK into her campaign. You're acting like an invitation to speak at the Vatican was some sham. It was an honor, and the funds were used fairly.

Also, TurboTax has only recently been cloud sourced, which Bernie released. Before that, it was a CD on your computer, no internet required. It's not as simple as you claim.

Yep, I'm 100 per cent serious. He used his campaign funds to fund a very expensive mini vacation for his family. Actually, no, the way he used the funds for his family members are not approved by campaign laws and could even be in violation of campaign guidelines. The FEC will probably be investigating that, along with the other four investigations that are ongoing on Bernie's campaign funds. 

Wrong. I can go pull up my tax returns from any computer with my email and password. It's easy to ck and everyone knows that! 

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, FATCAT said:

Well, it's within your own right to be duped by opportunistic politics.

We've had so many discussions about Hillary that I'd think you'd be informed enough to not repeat the same rhetoric against her, especially when I've almost always used factual arguments and logical deductions.

So I'm not shocked you hold the viewpoint that opinions cannot change. It's fine that you don't like her, but stop trying to paint her as something she isn't with assumptions.