'Lady Gaga Paid $21,000 By Clinton Campaign'

[Didymus 34,379]

@Nemo

@YourSweet666

Nope, I was referring to the fact that in 2013 she was blasting Russia for its unacceptable policies and how everyone should boycott the Olympics there in 2014. Yet apparently she had no problem accepting thousands of dollars to perform at the Baku European Games a year later, even though that event was also intensely blasted for pumping millions into a corrupt country with such a bad record regarding freedom of speech and LGBT issues. And she had the balls to perform Imagine there. Hypocrisy at its best.

Edit: I only brought this up because in comparison to that her getting paid by Clinton is nothing since we know she supports her cause. No need to call her a sell-out for that. For this ^ however..

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2 minutes ago, Didymus said:

@Nemo

@YourSweet666

Nope, I was referring to the fact that in 2013 she was blasting Russia for its unacceptable policies and how everyone should boycott the Olympics there in 2014. Yet apparently she had no problem accepting thousands of dollars to perform at the Baku European Games a year later, even though that event was also intensely blasted for pumping millions into a corrupt country with such a bad record regarding freedom of speech and LGBT issues. And she had the balls to perform Imagine there. Hypocrisy at its best.

Edit: I only brought this up because in comparison to that her getting paid by Clinton is nothing since we know she supports her cause. No need to call her a sell-out for that. For this ^ however..

 

 

Thanks for clarifying. 

 

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18 hours ago, Hola Soraya said:

That's messy 

[venusfly 17,885]

19 minutes ago, Didymus said:

@Nemo

@YourSweet666

Nope, I was referring to the fact that in 2013 she was blasting Russia for its unacceptable policies and how everyone should boycott the Olympics there in 2014. Yet apparently she had no problem accepting thousands of dollars to perform at the Baku European Games a year later, even though that event was also intensely blasted for pumping millions into a corrupt country with such a bad record regarding freedom of speech and LGBT issues. And she had the balls to perform Imagine there. Hypocrisy at its best.

Edit: I only brought this up because in comparison to that her getting paid by Clinton is nothing since we know she supports her cause. No need to call her a sell-out for that. For this ^ however..

It's worse than thousands, she was paid $2,000,000 from what I know

[somnambulist 1,526]

27 minutes ago, Didymus said:

@Nemo

@YourSweet666

Nope, I was referring to the fact that in 2013 she was blasting Russia for its unacceptable policies and how everyone should boycott the Olympics there in 2014. Yet apparently she had no problem accepting thousands of dollars to perform at the Baku European Games a year later, even though that event was also intensely blasted for pumping millions into a corrupt country with such a bad record regarding freedom of speech and LGBT issues. And she had the balls to perform Imagine there. Hypocrisy at its best.

Edit: I only brought this up because in comparison to that her getting paid by Clinton is nothing since we know she supports her cause. No need to call her a sell-out for that. For this ^ however..

wait.....what? How is performing Imagine a bad thing? Wasn't the whole point of her performance to try and unite people with the message of peace? 

[Nemo 4,291]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

Yet apparently she had no problem accepting thousands of dollars to perform at the Baku European Games a year later, even though that event was also intensely blasted for pumping millions into a corrupt country with such a bad record regarding freedom of speech and LGBT issues.

You say "intensely blasted", I say I never heard of those issues (or even the Games) until after her performance -- very unlike the situation with Russia, which was well-publicized here. Now, she probably should've done more research before she went; fine. But any accusation beyond that is unsupportable, IMHO.

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1 hour ago, somnambulist said:

wait.....what? How is performing Imagine a bad thing? Wasn't the whole point of her performance to try and unite people with the message of peace? 

Didymus was not saying that the song was the bad thing, but rather her accepting millions of dollars from a corrupt government, after criticising another corrupt government only a short while before.

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44 minutes ago, LG said:

Didymus was not saying that the song was the bad thing, but rather her accepting millions of dollars from a corrupt government, after criticising another corrupt government only a short while before.

Right but it wasn't the "Azerbaijan games" where only they participate, all of Europe was there. I don't believe she did it for the money honestly. She's a very political person, I think she saw an opportunity to sing to a continent that is very divided right now. 

I mean think about the song choice.

Had she performed Poker Face or Bad Romance or even Jazz standards I would have agreed it was tasteless and awkward, but this doesn't bother me.

 

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11 hours ago, Didymus said:

@Nemo

@YourSweet666

Nope, I was referring to the fact that in 2013 she was blasting Russia for its unacceptable policies and how everyone should boycott the Olympics there in 2014. Yet apparently she had no problem accepting thousands of dollars to perform at the Baku European Games a year later, even though that event was also intensely blasted for pumping millions into a corrupt country with such a bad record regarding freedom of speech and LGBT issues. And she had the balls to perform Imagine there. Hypocrisy at its best.

Edit: I only brought this up because in comparison to that her getting paid by Clinton is nothing since we know she supports her cause. No need to call her a sell-out for that. For this ^ however..

GOD i'm so happy you're back!!

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

11 hours ago, somnambulist said:

wait.....what? How is performing Imagine a bad thing? Wasn't the whole point of her performance to try and unite people with the message of peace? 

Because of most of GGD don't understand that the best way to have an impact is to open dialogue with the offenders, not shut them out.

[Didymus 34,379]

2 hours ago, LebaneseDude said:

Because of most of GGD don't understand that the best way to have an impact is to open dialogue with the offenders, not shut them out.

Then she shouldn't have called for a boycott of the Olympics in Russia. But no she decided to jump on the Russia hate bandwagon 'cause that's what was hot back then and she could sound smart. I dislike that, especially from someone we should all be praising as an activist.

Besides, singing a song about world peace is not a dialogue.

14 hours ago, somnambulist said:

wait.....what? How is performing Imagine a bad thing? Wasn't the whole point of her performance to try and unite people with the message of peace? 

That's like Russia performing a song about world peace every year at Eurovision It's clueless and it achieves nothing, and for the people who aren't well informed about politics it's misleading.

12 hours ago, Nemo said:

You say "intensely blasted", I say I never heard of those issues (or even the Games) until after her performance -- very unlike the situation with Russia, which was well-publicized here. Now, she probably should've done more research before she went; fine. But any accusation beyond that is unsupportable, IMHO.

Untrue.

The Guardian

Independent

Amnesty International

Metro

The Washington Post

Yes, Russia was more publicized, but that's not a good argument for me. She could easily have known, and she probably did know, and she still decided to make a very different statement than the one she made about Russia. No word was mentioned, ever, about Azerbaijan's terrible record regarding human rights (and after the event people were jailed for calling for a boycott of the Games, which again, was publicized). She just took the money and that was that.

And again, I'm only bringing that up 'cause I cackle at the people who pretend her getting paid by Clinton is a bad thing that somehow suggests she's a sell-out.

[Didymus 34,379]

12 hours ago, somnambulist said:

Right but it wasn't the "Azerbaijan games" where only they participate, all of Europe was there. I don't believe she did it for the money honestly. She's a very political person, I think she saw an opportunity to sing to a continent that is very divided right now. 

The argument destroys itself. She blasted the Russian Olympics specifically because Europe and the U.S. were pumping lots of money into the Russian economy, which she equated with supporting the country's terrible policies regarding freedom of speech and LGBT rights. It makes no sense that she wouldn't, theoretically, apply the same logic to the European Games. The difference is, the European Games organizors asked Gaga to perform and threw a lot of money at her. And she said yes.

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It's not for Gaga guys, a private performance by Gaga is AT LEAST 1 million $ if not more, this is just for travel costs, hotel stay etc.. And that was demanded by her team lol

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3 hours ago, Didymus said:

Then she shouldn't have called for a boycott of the Olympics in Russia. But no she decided to jump on the Russia hate bandwagon 'cause that's what was hot back then and she could sound smart. I dislike that, especially from someone we should all be praising as an activist

You're assuming a lot.

One completely random scenario that popped in my head was Gaga being frustrated that the boycotting didn't happen, ultimately making her want to go there in person instead to make her point.

Yet you choose the one that is most pessimistic and denigrating to Gaga.

3 hours ago, Didymus said:

Besides, singing a song about world peace is not a dialogue.

Really? You're on GGD. Ask how many people were influenced by Gaga singing Born This Way, helping them come out. I'm one of them.

Any communication is dialogue. Gaga is a singer, so that's the most effective platform.

[Didymus 34,379]

26 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

You're assuming a lot.

One completely random scenario that popped in my head was Gaga being frustrated that the boycotting didn't happen, ultimately making her want to go there in person instead to make her point.

Yet you choose the one that is most pessimistic and denigrating to Gaga.

Yes, I am doing that because on every single political issue she decided to make a statement about she's been nothing other than 100% explicit in interviews, on Twitter or what not. The only exceptions to that rule are Azerbaijan and Israel about which she didn't say a word, ever, despite undoubtedly being aware of conflicts there relevant to her artistic messages.

If she had hoped for the European Games to be boycotted we would've known.

And even if your scenario was realistic, which I dispute, what kind of "point" can you have singing a vanilla rendition of Lennon's Imagine It's pure, unabashed idealism at worst lyrically, and it is literally impossible to connect that to the political reality of Azerbaijan. As you said about Bernie's supporters countless times yourself: "the world isn't that simple". On stage in Russia she provoked and openly called for rebellion and revolution. If you think that compares to taking money from a corrupt government you should criticize, covering someone else's song about world peace, wishing the best for the European Games and leaving the country without having said a word about all the topics that are relevant for her artistic messages, then you have a different standard than me for sure.

33 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Really? You're on GGD. Ask how many people were influenced by Gaga singing Born This Way, helping them come out. I'm one of them.

Any communication is dialogue. Gaga is a singer, so that's the most effective platform.

You're connecting things that you yourself divided earlier. You were talking about creating a dialogue "with the offenders", i.e. Azerbaijan's government and their supporters in the country. Idealism is nice and all but as soon as reality kicks in, it disappears in a hot second and everything is still the way it was. It was lazy for an artist who described her mission like this:

"My aim in what I do is to push buttons, make people do a double take. People will either love me or they will hate me. That's what I want. No artist should ever want to be bland. I dress to get people to stare, I say a lot of things for shock value and I do a lot of things to deliberately unsettle people" (2010).

That performance was bland and so was the intention behind it. And the fact that she accepted that much money for it was a disappointment for me, esp. when she didn't even sing one of her own damn songs The song itself urges us to imagine living a life not focused on material wealth, but she flew home in her private jet with a million bucks on her account, money from a government expressig the exact opposite of the song's message.

But again: this Hillary thing is nonsense, clearly illustrated by going to this example which is far worse. Don't make this about me criticizing Gaga, I was defending her from idiots who claim this to be a "sell-out" move. That's nothing compared to what happened last year.