Who is a bigger Superstar? Gaga or Beyonce?

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

Loaded question.

Let's compare a 20 year career with an 8 year old career.

Biased much?

[Sexxx 5,545]

Who's selling out stadiums at this current moment in time??

 

 

[August Blue 8,566]

GGD full of fake fans, no matter what you should have voted for gaga (if you were true fans always) + ur at her fan website ..

and im suure all of u will change ur opinios when she releases lg5 

#sofetch

[Manul 7,377]

9 minutes ago, August Blue said:

 

U r so bae

[Haroon 49,685]

17 minutes ago, August Blue said:

GGD full of fake fans, no matter what you should have voted for gaga (if you were true fans always) + ur at her fan website ..

and im suure all of u will change ur opinios when she releases lg5 

#sofetch

Being a fan doesn't mean you're obliged to think that Gaga's the biggest/best at everything  Not even being a "true fan" (whatever that is  ) involves that. Free thought and opinion still exists when you're a fan

[August Blue 8,566]

8 minutes ago, Haroon said:

Being a fan doesn't mean you're obliged to think that Gaga's the biggest/best at everything  Not even being a "true fan" (whatever that is  ) involves that. Free thought and opinion still exists when you're a fan

Yes peace in the world

Ok in your opinion , but i dont think so .. 

What i think is that there are not much true fans here ( yes its a thing ) insead i think there are the type of "fans" ( not all ) that change they're opinion and "favorite" artist every time smth new appears..  Anyway its just what i think so

[Sexxx 5,545]

2 hours ago, August Blue said:

GGD full of fake fans, no matter what you should have voted for gaga (if you were true fans always) + ur at her fan website ..

and im suure all of u will change ur opinios when she releases lg5 

#sofetch

We don't all choose to be yes men, which is what was Gaga's biggest problem during the peak of her career. She needed honest opinions, but she never got them 

[L E O 6,035]

1 hour ago, August Blue said:

Yes peace in the world

Ok in your opinion , but i dont think so .. 

What i think is that there are not much true fans here ( yes its a thing ) insead i think there are the type of "fans" ( not all ) that change they're opinion and "favorite" artist every time smth new appears..  Anyway its just what i think so

There is a difference between true fan and stupid fans who say yes all the time.

Plus the question is who is the BIGGEST, in terms of succes, not the BETTER.

Gaga is my favorite artists ever, I saw her 5 times in concerts, and spend hundreads of euros in my CD collection, but I can't deny that Beyoncé is bigger right now.

I mean, she's doing a WORLDWIDE STADIUM WORLD TOUR. Gaga sadly couldn't.

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1 hour ago, L E O said:

There is a difference between true fan and stupid fans who say yes all the time.

Plus the question is who is the BIGGEST, in terms of succes, not the BETTER.

Gaga is my favorite artists ever, I saw her 5 times in concerts, and spend hundreads of euros in my CD collection, but I can't deny that Beyoncé is bigger right now.

I mean, she's doing a WORLDWIDE STADIUM WORLD TOUR. Gaga sadly couldn't.

This! That's why I voted Beyoncé, if the poll was for the best of course I would have voted for Gaga.

[StrawberryBlond 14,458]

16 hours ago, Didymus said:

And Lemonade has 10 new songs, are you seriously gonna make a case about that? The point is that the same strategy was used, no matter what the rest of the context is. You can still repeat all your previous points (that the fans are left robbed of a proper show experience because they might hate those 8 new songs etc.) to make the same case for Gaga but you won't, which again illustrates how you don't apply the same standard. I mean, Gaga opened with an album track no one had ever heard If anything, your vitriolic logic would have to smash something like that completely, since you even think going on tour with no direct album to promote is a crime against humanity.

Beyoncé fans also heard Formation before the tour went on sale, so again.. you have no point.

Why does that matter? I'm actually asking you because I don't see the difference that makes. Her album didn't even go on sale until a few days later, so technically, she did more to meet your standard by applying the strategy she did: she put everything out in the open for free and let the fan decide if it was worth purchasing the album. But still not good enough for StrawberryBlond. Incredible.

No, you said when an artist (obviously referring to Beyoncé) does that "every tour" the formula stops working. By that formula you meant announcing an album and then announcing the tour before it comes out, which isn't even the formula used for the Mrs. Carter Tour. If fans expected new music, that was because Beyoncé released two new tracks (which she incorporated into her show so technically, again, no cheating), which I'll admit was a bit of a sneaky move, but on the other hand, the show was so ****ing phenomenal and the crowds hadn't heard 4 material live before, so what's the problem? I can't imagine you'd find anyone who thought they didn't get their money's worth. It got rave reviews as well, so I don't understand why you're trying to dismiss her so quickly like that.

Nor do I believe Beyoncé was scared how her self-titled album was gonna be released. When you have a killer album like that you're not scared.

Why?

But you have lied. Like.. you have, which is not even a big deal, I just wanted to correct you and that's what I did. For instance, you lied about Gaga never adopting the strategies Beyoncé does because of her artistic integrity, you lied about how real artists never adopt that kind of strategy and that in "the old days" that sort of stuff was not done, you lied about Beyoncé being unsuccessful commercially, you lied about the reviews for Beyoncé and Lemonade that you pretend focus more on the visuals than the music.

I don't need to put off my fan goggles because I don't have them on. I see nothing peculiar about Beyoncé's tactics. Sure, there are promotion tactics but when they revolve around a magnificently finished product, then I can find admiration for it.

What's lazy about having to shoot a music video for every song on your album? What's lazy about co-directing some of them? What's lazy about spending more time on the songwriting and production, about co-producing your tracks? What's lazy about performing the way she does when she can easily just do 1000x less because people are gonna want to see her anyway?

You disagree with the critics, fine. But you don't need to project your own irrelevant opinion (not calling yours irrelevant exclusively, all opinions are irrelevant in the end) onto reality. Beyoncé is not a lazy woman and she does not get an easy ride, especially when you think of the fact that her albums have not been very well received until right now, more than 15 years into the business.

And who in the world agrees that Beyoncé's best material is over a long time? Where are these people coming from? Why are they allowed to walk around freely? I'm taking the piss out of everyone, sure, but come on! This is a glorious era to witness as a Beyoncé fan and everything she's doing is getting rave reviews by both critics and fans. You don't need to make **** up. Your opinion is fine and should be respected at all times, but you don't need to pretend it's anything more than that. It's just not necessary and it actually makes you look arrogant instead of gracious to share your opinion and state your reasons for it. I still have not seen you explain why you think Beyoncé's older work is stronger. You just state that it is and slap a bunch of "facts" around it. I don't get why you do that. It's actually less interesting than to just hear you say why you don't like something.

I'm just going to condense it all because there's too much to quote but I have read it all.

It's clear that this may now be a formula Beyonce will continue to use - tickets on sale, album drops shortly before the first date and you get the whole experience at once. Maybe that's the only way she thinks she can sell now. I honestly think she's afraid to release traditionally ever since 4 wasn't the hit it was poised to be and none of the singles even reached the US top 10. Now she's done this formula twice in a row to massive success, she's not going to stop. Her fans will have to buy tickets and not know what they're getting for it and be on tenderhooks in the days leading up to the first date forevermore. Because if she goes back to traditional releases, the singles will flop and she'll be called unoriginal for going back to the old way. It's like the song: "I'm caught in a trap, I can't walk out...because I'm too scared of flopping, baby."

Yes, releasing 2 songs pre-tour was a very sneaky move because the fans thought it was going to be part of the album and these were little promo singles or something. But they didn't make the album and she's not cared about them ever since. So, they were there to trick people. Pure and simple. The problem is that the fans were misled and kept in the dark. I'm sorry, but when you pay top dollar for a touring experience, you'd better damn well have an idea about what you're getting for that. If it's a greatest hits tour, make it clear. If it's supporting a new album yet to be released, make it clear. If it's a collection of completely random songs, make it clear. If you don't, you'll piss people off. And it's not just Beyonce I'm criticising for this. Bon Jovi released their 2013 tour dates before their album was released and it wasn't released until a month into the tour (it was terrible, no wonder they tricked people) and they performed basically nothing from that album, just 4 tracks out of a 23 track setlist, the rest was greatest hits. Now, I know that an act like them will know their fans just want to hear the hits as their albums no longer sell, but still - making albums solely so you can tour with the hits is low and annoys the fans who maybe liked the new material. And when Kate Bush did her residency show in 2014, she didn't tell anyone what would be in it. I assumed, considering she rarely releases albums and had made no announcements, that it would just be a selection of greatest hits, as did most people. Turned out it was just her favourite songs from 4 out of her 9 albums, nothing before album #5. She claims it was because she couldn't reach the high notes of her old work, but just re-work them, then! Again, annoying to the fans who perhaps weren't keen on those albums or only liked the occasional song from them. Considering it was a residency that you had to go all the way to London to see, what you were getting for that money should have been made clear from the start. And Madonna arranged a small date in a theatre in Paris for one of her MDNA tour dates and fans were annoyed that she performed a very quick show and it was totally different from the rest of the tour. If it was included on the tour setlist, you were expecting something more. There were fans posting photos online of them holding the tickets next to a middle finger and demanding refunds due to being misled. These artists will fool and deceive you for as long as you let them get away with it. Take a stand, let them know that you won't consume whatever they throw at you without question.

I didn't lie at all. Gaga has never put out tour dates before an album (like I said, TFM, which is considered an EP by some and is only 34 minutes in length and was offered as a reissue of TF in most regions, would hardly require a tour all of its own and TF didn't have a proper arena tour, so it was more in support of that than anything). I didn't say that "real" artists don't adopt this strategy, I said artists who have confidence in their abilities and respect their fans don't need to do this. And I didn't say no one in the old days did this, just some and that's it's much more common nowadays (since 2012, to be precise). I didn't say Beyonce was unsuccessful commercially, I said the sales weren't all that in he grand scheme of things for an album that was supposedly such an event and "everyone" knew the songs from (I mean, it only sold 100k or more in 3 countries). And I didn't say the reviews centred more on the visuals than the music, I said that the visuals could have manipulated reviewers into thinking the music was better than it was due to distraction techniques. It would have been interesting to see the reviews had it not been another visual album. I listened to the album without visuals and found it just ok. And I can honestly say that the videos improve things. But music isn't about videos, it's about music, and without the videos, these songs are, for the most part, lacking. It's the same for all artists. Videos are a great distraction tool.

Spending more on songwriting and co-production? Don't make me laugh. She barely played a role in under half this album, hence the upwards of 6 co-writers on 5 tracks (16 overall on Hold Up). Yes, she did co-produce everything but in Beyonce's world, putting in vocal harmonies count as production (ludicrous and another example of Beyonce trying to take credit where it's not due). And actually, all her albums have been well-received until now, look it up. She's never had reception a la ARTPOP in her life. And she's the second-most decorated woman in Grammy history (only 4 of which have been for recent material) and is joint 7th for the most Grammys overall (just 11 away from the all-time record). She's always been overrated.

I didn't say that people consider Beyonce's best material was a long time ago, I'm just talking about legends in general. Everyone says it, so why do critics still praise their sub-par modern efforts? Beyonce will totally be like that in the future if she keeps going in this direction. And I didn't say that I think her old stuff is the best, just that her debut album is the best. And I think it's just because the material is her most solid and there's only 2 bad songs on the whole thing, as opposed to her other albums which are more hit and miss and have multiple terrible tracks. It's also Beyonce doing RnB and soul, which suits her best. I really don't intend to sound arrogant, I just get frustrated when I see something get praised in such an overblown way when it's not sonically stunning by any extent of the imagination. I just wonder what people see in it.

[androiduser 7,438]

Beyonce.

Gaga was bigger during her peak, but it was too short to be compared to overall success Beyonce has

[Enhsa 2,043]

4 hours ago, August Blue said:

GGD full of fake fans, no matter what you should have voted for gaga (if you were true fans always) + ur at her fan website ..

and im suure all of u will change ur opinios when she releases lg5 

#sofetch

Not everyone here is a fan tbh we have fans/fakefans, protesters, lovers and haters

[Prismatic 4,789]

5 hours ago, Haroon said:

Being a fan doesn't mean you're obliged to think that Gaga's the biggest/best at everything  Not even being a "true fan" (whatever that is  ) involves that. Free thought and opinion still exists when you're a fan

Spill iT. 

I just can't when people say you're not a real fan for not supporting your faves all the time. It's truly delusional to think your think is flawless, the best even when he/she is flopping. 

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

7 hours ago, August Blue said:

Yes peace in the world

Ok in your opinion , but i dont think so .. 

What i think is that there are not much true fans here ( yes its a thing ) insead i think there are the type of "fans" ( not all ) that change they're opinion and "favorite" artist every time smth new appears..  Anyway its just what i think so

You are 100% correct. GGD is not for Gaga fans. It's for fake fans to vent their insecurity.

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