The ARTPOP era was so funny

[Didymus 34,379]

25 minutes ago, Drunk Poet said:

"continuing to spread" "you're the one whose pretending" 

You seem to think I'm trying to attack Gaga, which, if so, you are a genuine idiot. I am also basing my response on what Gaga herself said, and maybe just because you didn't see that she also said that it was a social comment, doesn't mean she didn't say it. You honestly think too highly of yourself if that's the case. All of the statements she made she said were open to interpretation, so I don't see what your problem is. I'm not misquoting Gaga, I'm not misrepresenting her art. Her art is polysemic and has many meanings all at once. Stop being so defensive and acting as though I'm spreading around a ****ing lie, why would I? I have respect for artists. I'd ask you to have respect for me. 

Yet you apparently didn't know Gaga said she genuinely loved the Housewives and she wanted them in the video to portray her blackout period because they helped her through rough times. Or you conveniently ignored it.

I agree that her work has more than one meaning, but then you have to acknowledge that instead of picking one and denying the rest Your original post was just a glorification of Gaga (that wasn't even deserved; she is not the first and only artist to take a stab at celebrity culture and I still don't believe she said that she wanted to make a statement about that in the G.U.Y. video specifically, if there's a video of that I'd love to see it) based on only a part of the information.

Sorry if I came across as lecturing or rude, but I just don't understand why you won't acknowledge that you were presenting a half-truth in your first post. There might be a double entendre in that video, but all she said about that video specifically points in the other direction, so in my opinion it's not correct to ignore that element and make a post about how Gaga's so badass and brave and revolutionary for doing something we don't even know she did.. That's all.

[RAMROD 109,564]

It us painful tine to me. 😭😭😭

It is a pain to see Gaga sad and depressed 😢😢😢😢

 

Tho I joked about the app too, but I never blame ha tho

 

[RileyMint 569]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

100% wrong and if you paid any attention during that time of her career you would know it. Gaga most literally explained why the Housewives were in there and it was most definitely not a commentary of any kind. She repeated over and over again that watching the Housewives helped her to get through the period where she just couldn't do anything but sit still because of her hip. In the video this is represented by the moment she's under water, waiting to come to life again while she heals.

Even within the video there's proof you're wrong: she uses the Housewives to take over the industry. How do you explain that? Plus, she's actually besties with one of them now. Didn't you see her falling off her heels drunk off her ass after having dinner with her? All the Instagram pics? The praise towards her? Unless you want to accuse her of upholding an absolutely fake friendship for over a year now, I suggest you change your mind about that.

These are few quotes she made about the video. And if you paid attention to many other interviews you would know her stance on "celebrities" vs. "artists". That doesn't mean she can't enjoy celebrities, but she wants the public to see the difference.

“Where we have arrived as a society and how we view things in pop culture, and how everything’s become such a commodity so fast that it’s almost as if a figure like Jesus and a figure like Lisa Vanderpump – everyone sort of starts to sit in the same place on your cell phone,” the singer explained.

"We wanted you to play Zeus, or God in the sky, because I feel as though reality TV and reality media really run our lives."

"It's indicative of how disorientated I feel in my experience of pop culture... and the pedestals we put people on."

I can't find the other interview, but there was a time that she said that the housewives are playing the instruments incorrectly for a reason and its how she sees pop culture. Yes she loves the housewives, but if you read between the lines you can see the message she was trying to convey.

[Didymus 34,379]

30 minutes ago, RileyMint said:

These are few quotes she made about the video. And if you paid attention to many other interviews you would know her stance on "celebrities" vs. "artists". That doesn't mean she can't enjoy celebrities, but she wants the public to see the difference.

“Where we have arrived as a society and how we view things in pop culture, and how everything’s become such a commodity so fast that it’s almost as if a figure like Jesus and a figure like Lisa Vanderpump – everyone sort of starts to sit in the same place on your cell phone,” the singer explained.

"We wanted you to play Zeus, or God in the sky, because I feel as though reality TV and reality media really run our lives."

"It's indicative of how disorientated I feel in my experience of pop culture... and the pedestals we put people on."

I can't find the other interview, but there was a time that she said that the housewives are playing the instruments incorrectly for a reason and its how she sees pop culture. Yes she loves the housewives, but if you read between the lines you can see the message she was trying to convey.

I know her stance perfectly, she's made it since The Fame

If anything, she DIRECTLY explained the Housewives as a personal element in there at THAT point of the video to symbolize the period where she was in a blackout and couldn't do anything (hence the underwater sequence and subsequent rebirth). And, like I have repeated, the Housewives help her take back the industry in the end, which negates any idea of Gaga using them as examples of what the industry shouldn't be.

If there's a statement in there about the difference between celebrities and artists it's redeemed in the end when POP (Housewives) and ART (Gaga) clearly co-exist together. If there's a statement in there about the difference between artists and celebrities, it's not the way you presented it in your post.. You called the Housewives feature "shady" and said that Gaga tricked them into the video and portrayed them as talentless. THAT's what I was reffering to in my replies

I mean, sure, there can be a double message, but I reject any person who insists that she wanted to make the Housewives look bad. She's hanging out with Lisa, going to her plastic surgeon, I mean, come on They love each other. I really don't believe Gaga wanted to use Andy and the girls as a mockery of subordinate entertainment, especially when she herself said the Housewives helped her recover!  

So yeah, I feel like we agree about what the video might represent, but you seem to be leaning more to a negative pov (the Housewives are a symbol of talentless nobodies and Gaga is the triumphant artist) while I'm just assuming it's a dialogue and not a monologue.

[RileyMint 569]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

I know her stance perfectly, she's made it since The Fame

If anything, she DIRECTLY explained the Housewives as a personal element in there at THAT point of the video to symbolize the period where she was in a blackout and couldn't do anything (hence the underwater sequence and subsequent rebirth). And, like I have repeated, the Housewives help her take back the industry in the end, which negates any idea of Gaga using them as examples of what the industry shouldn't be.

If there's a statement in there about the difference between celebrities and artists it's redeemed in the end when POP (Housewives) and ART (Gaga) clearly co-exist together. If there's a statement in there about the difference between artists and celebrities, it's not the way you presented it in your post.. You called the Housewives feature "shady" and said that Gaga tricked them into the video and portrayed them as talentless. THAT's what I was reffering to in my replies

I mean, sure, there can be a double message, but I reject any person who insists that she wanted to make the Housewives look bad. She's hanging out with Lisa, going to her plastic surgeon, I mean, come on They love each other. I really don't believe Gaga wanted to use Andy and the girls as a mockery of subordinate entertainment, especially when she herself said the Housewives helped her recover!  

So yeah, I feel like we agree about what the video might represent, but you seem to be leaning more to a negative pov (the Housewives are a symbol of talentless nobodies and Gaga is the triumphant artist) while I'm just assuming it's a dialogue and not a monologue.

Well as Gaga said, the video is up for interpretation. So we are all entitled to our opinions. You are clearly very passionate about your stance, so I don't know what else to say. I get where you are coming from, but we're talking about the girl who praises Britney one day and shades lip-syncers the next . I don't mean shady in a bad way. Everyone knows the housewives don't have any talent. Are you like a big fan of theirs or something?

[Stephen 30,423]

She was depressed, exhausted, fighting her management, fighting to be taken seriously, recovering from a broken hip, getting trashed by the media, and her mind was all over the place. It was a mess, but she's only human. 

[super ultra 878]

5 hours ago, Alien Tulip said:

This is why I love Gaga. She's ridiculous, over the top, and pretentious like Mariah Carey but it comes from a good place in her heart. Gaga is one of those people that makes you laugh without even trying  It wasn't even just the ARTPOP era. She's been this way since she was 19. Does anybody remember the speech she wrote for a guy to introduce her before she performed? It was when she was 19 and performed Hollywood and Master Heartbreaker. In her speech she described her music as "The most refreshing pop music that has ever existed"  

The Fame, The Fame Monster, Born This Way  ARTPOP, Cheek to cheek, etc all had hysterical moments from her. My favorite is when she described Americano as an avant garde techno mariachi disco latin pop record and marry the night as gas station disco like wtf  

Call me a flop fan but when did she say that? This is simply amazing

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

The fact that people are debating the purpose of the Real Housewives rather than the purpose of the film tells me everything. Nobody has anything to say about the prologue or the epilogue. We focus on the part of the story we see, never on the story behind the story.

 

 

Here is my analysis.

It is not exactly about fame but rather fortune. The corporatisation of art. When we think of the Real Housewives, or Kim Kardashian's sex tape, or any other form of voyeurism, we think of the starlet humiliating herself. Being spat on, pulling each other's hair, and begging THE MAN for more. We think of Kyle Richards and the other celebrities spilling drinks and humiliating themselves on camera. 

We never think of the sexually frustrated lawyers and executives who plot and profit from these shows, who cheat on their spouses with the stars and wannabe stars, do we?

G.U.Y. is about the misogyny within Hollywood and how, through reality TV and reality-TV style ****ography (which is itself a byproduct of the Hollywood fame machine) misogyny has infiltrated society, forcing viewers to hate the star simply because she is seen. She embodies filth because she is literally covered in it.

"She has no self-respect", "Why doesn't she just leave?" and other debilitating judgments stunt man's ability to think outside the masculine-feminine dichotomy. Why? Because the man becomes addicted to the pain in her face.

Women are always the face of desecration. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession. We respect the pimp - but never the performer.

Yet there she is, day and night performing for her audience, subjecting herself to taunts in the tabloids, sneers and laughter in the boardroom, and even in the bedroom she is expected to perform like an adult actress. These women are the sacrificial lambs for the hype machine that is designed to ensure that rich middlemen (pimps) never get seen or heard (and therefore ridiculed). HATE SOCIETY? HATE THE WOMEN.

It's about the double standard in society. 

But most perversely it is about how men who use women are really projecting their own buried desire of being treated like a bitch. It's disgusting how many rich men will use a woman's eyes as a camera to go THERE, be exactly where he lusts but is too afraid to go.

 

[TRILL MONSTER 1,113]

The andy cohen head in g.u.y messed me up 

[Didymus 34,379]

9 hours ago, RileyMint said:

Well as Gaga said, the video is up for interpretation. So we are all entitled to our opinions. You are clearly very passionate about your stance, so I don't know what else to say. I get where you are coming from, but we're talking about the girl who praises Britney one day and shades lip-syncers the next . I don't mean shady in a bad way. Everyone knows the housewives don't have any talent. Are you like a big fan of theirs or something?

But come on, it's one thing to interpret something and another to present your interpretation as the only, obvious one. I didn't interpret the video for ****, I just used Gaga's own words to balance out your and Drunk Poet's claims because I've encountered this "G.U.Y. is obviously about how reality stars are talentless and Gaga wants art to take back the industry" idea. In most cases these people just ignore a lot of stuff Gaga says and I don't think it's ok to just say "well, Gaga contradicts herself 24/7 so I can say what I want in the end". That's just being too lazy to incorporate all the information you're getting imo.

5 hours ago, Lord Temptation said:

The fact that people are debating the purpose of the Real Housewives rather than the purpose of the film tells me everything. Nobody has anything to say about the prologue or the epilogue. We focus on the part of the story we see, never on the story behind the story.

Well, I mentioned the epilogue over and over again to prove the Housewives were not the main target, so I actually didn't think of the video the way you present it, but damn.. there really is something to it. I didn't really stop to realize the male/female separation in the whole thing.

Thanks for sharing that.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

But come on, it's one thing to interpret something and another to present your interpretation as the only, obvious one. I didn't interpret the video for ****, I just used Gaga's own words to balance out your and Drunk Poet's claims because I've encountered this "G.U.Y. is obviously about how reality stars are talentless and Gaga wants art to take back the industry" idea. In most cases these people just ignore a lot of stuff Gaga says and I don't think it's ok to just say "well, Gaga contradicts herself 24/7 so I can say what I want in the end". That's just being too lazy to incorporate all the information you're getting imo.

Well, I mentioned the epilogue over and over again to prove the Housewives were not the main target, so I actually didn't think of the video the way you present it, but damn.. there really is something to it. I didn't really stop to realize the male/female separation in the whole thing.

Thanks for sharing that.

You're welcome. My brain is free.

[RileyMint 569]

4 hours ago, Didymus said:

But come on, it's one thing to interpret something and another to present your interpretation as the only, obvious one. I didn't interpret the video for ****, I just used Gaga's own words to balance out your and Drunk Poet's claims because I've encountered this "G.U.Y. is obviously about how reality stars are talentless and Gaga wants art to take back the industry" idea. In most cases these people just ignore a lot of stuff Gaga says and I don't think it's ok to just say "well, Gaga contradicts herself 24/7 so I can say what I want in the end". That's just being too lazy to incorporate all the information you're getting imo.

Well, I mentioned the epilogue over and over again to prove the Housewives were not the main target, so I actually didn't think of the video the way you present it, but damn.. there really is something to it. I didn't really stop to realize the male/female separation in the whole thing.

Thanks for sharing that.

I never said that was the main focus of the 7 minute video... I just said it had something to do with the housewives. We all acknowledge that Gaga said they helped her get through hard times, but she also has stated her thoughts on reality TV in general. Why else would they be playing the instruments incorrectly?

[Andy McQueen 4,484]

I loved the ARTPOP era, Joseph Beuys would be so happy if he was still alive. 

[Didymus 34,379]

46 minutes ago, RileyMint said:

Why else would they be playing the instruments incorrectly?

Because they can't play instruments? Need I remind you of Gaga fake playing the guitar in nearly every Venus performance of the era?

Besides, the only instrument that really qualified as wrong was the cello and personally I don't even think Gaga knows how you're supposed to play that. Every other instrument was just fine, which is why I can't believe this theory ever took off. As if Gaga would want to mislead the viewer into thinking they're actually playing instruments you can't even hear on the track. It just doesn't matter. Everyone knows they can't play instruments, we don't need Gaga to tell us by "exposing" them like this. Gaga can't play the harp and the cello either (and barely guitar) so why would the statement even be well done if it is in there?

[Didymus 34,379]

47 minutes ago, Andy McQueen said:

I loved the ARTPOP era, Joseph Beuys would be so happy if he was still alive. 

Why?

Major Beuys fan, so I'm curious.