Born This Way is the album of the decade

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1 hour ago, Rino said:

like who? 

the only acts who have reached the highest peak of popularity like Gaga that come to mind are Michael Jackson (Thriller), Britney Spears (her debut album, whatever it was called) and maybe Adele (with 21, but Adele isn't exactly pure pop ). 

maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't remember any of these singers releasing something risky like Born This Way right after their peak. 

I'm not trying to attack you, just genuinely interested in finding out  

How can you not mention Madonna? She is THE risk taker of the industry. After almost every peak in each decade, she releases an album completely eye opening and risky. She does fall hard a lot too.

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10 minutes ago, hellothing said:

How can you not mention Madonna? She is THE risk taker of the industry. After almost every peak in each decade, she releases an album completely eye opening and risky. She does fall hard a lot too.

as much as I recongize Madonna as a pop legend, I don't think she ever peaked as high as Gaga. 

Madonna was consistent with her success and built up her legacy for decades, slowly, but surely, while Gaga burst into the scene like a meteor very early in her career. 

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1 hour ago, Rino said:

as much as I recongize Madonna as a pop legend, I don't think she ever peaked as high as Gaga. 

Madonna was consistent with her success and built up her legacy for decades, slowly, but surely, while Gaga burst into the scene like a meteor very early in her career. 

I don't agree. Like a Prayer was momentous. Sure she had backing of years of hits before this but the level of fame and controversy of that era is comparable to any imperious phase of any singer.

If it was initial impact, then yes, Madonna is not the right person to compare Gaga to. But in terms of peaks, Madonna and Gaga had almost the same impact.

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It's not the album of the decade, because we're only 60% through the decade.

It's one of the bigger and more significant Pop releases of the 10's though. 

[Glory 2,247]

It was heavy, over the top, perfectly sung, majestic and powerful.

If only the promotion had go well with 7-8 singles and GOOD MUSIC VIDEOS,  it would have been considered as the album of the decade by the GP

But in my heart it will always be my favorite one at least 

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Eh...

[PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570]

Absolutely not 

[notconfident 279]

TOTALLY AGREE

I wouldn't even like Gaga if Born This Way didn't happen. I used to be a huge fan of ARTPOP when it came out, but eventually I realized how silly it is compared to BTW. It's just full of trash pop electronic music where almost none of the songs actually make sense (of course there are exceptions and amazing songs like Gypsy, Dope, maybe even ARTPOP) and I still don't get why it's called ARTPOP, I don't really see anything artistic or iconic in it.

On the other hand, Born This Way is much deeper, more serious and in my honest opinion a legendary album where each song has its own story and is just iconic on so many ways (yet again, there are exceptions).

I don't know, this is just my honest opinion, it's not like I expect everyone to think the same way I do, but in my eyes, BTW is magnificent and I truly hope LG5 will be at least half as good. 

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9 hours ago, PartySick said:

Eh, I like ARTPOP better

Born This Way is great for someone who feels socially awkward (or outcast), but for someone like me (all my problems are on the inside) ARTPOP is so much better

Wow, that is the most awesome description ever! That explains why I'm such a huge ARTPOP-stan too! I'm totally gonna steal this explanation from you. K, bye

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Judas is better than ARTPOP on it's own.

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8 hours ago, Rino said:

like who? 

the only acts who have reached the highest peak of popularity like Gaga that come to mind are Michael Jackson (Thriller), Britney Spears (her debut album, whatever it was called) and maybe Adele (with 21, but Adele isn't exactly pure pop ). 

maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't remember any of these singers releasing something risky like Born This Way right after their peak. 

I'm not trying to attack you, just genuinely interested in finding out  

David Bowie dropped Low. That was super risky after his streak from Ziggy Stardust. Each album was super well-received and then he decided to drop Low which put tons of people off. He isn't pop strictly but he was gigantic. Then, I'm sure there's plenty of people who couldn't salvage their careers after big blow-ups lol

Gaga definitely took a big risk and it paid off, but I wouldn't say she was first. It shouldn't matter though since she still took the plunge and that takes guts.

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1 hour ago, Ziggy said:

David Bowie dropped Low. That was super risky after his streak from Ziggy Stardust. Each album was super well-received and then he decided to drop Low which put tons of people off. He isn't pop strictly but he was gigantic. Then, I'm sure there's plenty of people who couldn't salvage their careers after big blow-ups lol

Gaga definitely took a big risk and it paid off, but I wouldn't say she was first. It shouldn't matter though since she still took the plunge and that takes guts.

huge respect to Bowie, but he was never as famous as Gaga  

he was popular in UK and US, maybe in couple of European countries and that's it, while Gaga is known all over the world.

Gaga's success > Bowie's (yet again, this doesn't make Bowie any less of an amazing artist that he was). 

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8 minutes ago, Rino said:

huge respect to Bowie, but he was never as famous as Gaga  

he was popular in UK and US, maybe in couple of European countries and that's it, while Gaga is known all over the world.

Gaga's success > Bowie's (yet again, this doesn't make Bowie any less of an amazing artist that he was). 

Different age, though. In the digital era being Gaga-sized is a totally different feat. With a legacy like his, yeah, he's as famous. Remember for much of his fame the Cold War was going on so it wasn't like breaking into Asia was a thing as it is today where it's essential. That, and his genre. If we're restricting the category to pop he doesn't fit, but if you look at rock acts, not many people draw as much fame and acclaim as he did. It's all contextual.

I get what you mean, but there's a distinct difference in how music is distributed now vs back then. A lot of Gaga's rise was because her music was easy to find (being digital) whereas it's a little more difficult to get physical discs. You can't really use the same meter stick when you compare them. That'd be like saying Ella Fitzgerald or Louis Armstrong weren't as big as Gaga because they weren't much an act in Asia. It's a totally different barometer. 

In the digital era she is definitely one of the first (dunno if she is THE first), but of all time I think is a stretch. There was still substantial risk, just the marketplace was a different world.

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51 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Different age, though. In the digital era being Gaga-sized is a totally different feat. With a legacy like his, yeah, he's as famous. Remember for much of his fame the Cold War was going on so it wasn't like breaking into Asia was a thing as it is today where it's essential.

how his legacy makes him as famous as Gaga when now, as I've stated before, he is known only in English-speaking and some European countries? legacy does depend on fame, and Bowie's fame never reached astronomic heights that Gaga's did. 

it's an interesting comment you made about the Cold War but then again why the Cold War didn't stop, say, The Beatles from having a world-wide fame and legacy that lasts till this very day? Beatles and Bowie started around the same time, so why they are well-known all around the globe even now while David is not? 

1 hour ago, Ziggy said:

That, and his genre. If we're restricting the category to pop he doesn't fit, but if you look at rock acts, not many people draw as much fame and acclaim as he did. It's all contextual.

if we are going to talk about the difference in genres, then maybe there's no point in comparing a rock singer like David Bowie to a pure pop like Lady Gaga in the first place? 

Gaga is a household name in pop music which means that she has to make music that will sell well. everyone was expecting Gaga to follow-up The Fame Monster by an album that was going to sell even better, but she released Born This Way, obviously knowing that it wasn't as appealing to the public as her previous records thus taking a big risk. 

Bowie being a rock musician was probably not as dependant on his commercial success as Gaga, that's why even if he took risks, it couldn't possibly damage him as much as it could damage Gaga.

1 hour ago, Ziggy said:

I get what you mean, but there's a distinct difference in how music is distributed now vs back then. A lot of Gaga's rise was because her music was easy to find (being digital) whereas it's a little more difficult to get physical discs. You can't really use the same meter stick when you compare them. That'd be like saying Ella Fitzgerald or Louis Armstrong weren't as big as Gaga because they weren't much an act in Asia. It's a totally different barometer. 

I think you might be misunderstanding the word peak that I used in this thread. 

a singer hitting a peak means him being the most successful and popular singer among his peers for a particular period of time, which was the whole 2010 year for Gaga. they talked about her on the news 24/7, every magazine, every journal, every paparazzi wanted a picture of her, her style became trendy, her music was playing all around the world and wherever she went she created a huge frenzy. 

I'm talking about that kind of peak. 

I only mentioned MJ, Britney and Adele because the kind of peak that Gaga had is possible only in modern times - 90's, 00's, 10's, all thanks to the growth of the media and creation of the Internet.

that's why I didn't name singers of the past like Ella Fitzgerald or Louis Armstrong, because they were never able to become as famous as modern singers of today. this, however, doesn't change the fact that they are the legends of the music world, just like David Bowie is.

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not even the album of the year, tbh